Supernatural Round Table: "Rock and a Hard Place"

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Welcome back to TV Fanatic's Supernatural Round Table!

Without question, Supernatural Season 9 Episode 8 gave us plenty to analyze, so let's get to it with TV Fanatics Sean McKenna, Carissa Pavlica and Alice from The Winchester Family Business!

Read their answers and weigh in with your own below ...


What was your favorite scene from the episode?

Carissa: My favorite scene was when Dean was telling everyone why he was getting his virginity back and talking about why he loved it in such vivid detail, making the women (and all the female viewers) squirm. It was really well done, right down to the camera work on the close-ups of the anatomy of the women as his words affected them.

Alice: Without a doubt, Dean and Suzy’s “Casa Erotica” re-enactment. I’ve seen Dean Winchester in a lot of situations, but acting out one his porn fantasies? Score! That was the funniest scene I’ve seen on this show in a long time. The bad dialogue, the over-the-top foreplay, and they even played mariachi music in the background! Dean loved the scene with the tacos? “Why don’t you ask me that in Spanish?” Hilarious! Oh, but it didn’t end there. When Sam found the DVD, he got a zinger in of his own. “I think he crossed someone off his bucket list.”

Sean: The Dean scenes were definitely the most fun but Dean and Suzy about to get it on was the highlight of the night. It could have been lame or too ridiculous, but the moment had the right amount of humor and sizzle. Good for you, Dean. Good for you.

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What did you think of Jody Mills' return?

Carissa: It was great. I especially liked that she was in the church group, but not a part of the chastity group and how amazed she was that they had gone so far as to join for the cause. Glad she didn't succumb to the death curse of returning friends!

Alice: She was awesome!  A lot of the special guest returns have been short and lackluster, but Jody was given a lot of plot and great material this time.  Plus, whenever her and Sam get going on their computers, it’s pure geek heaven.  She got to be tough by punching a virgin, and she got to be tender too, admitting she has turned to church to help her through the rough and lonely times.  Most of all, I’m glad she’s not dead.  That’s a rare thing on this show.  

Sean: It was OK. I like seeing familiar faces from the show’s past and Jody’s definitely a good one. Maybe I was expecting more? At least, the hour did touch upon the last time we saw her.

Dean’s hookup with Suzy: Hot or not?

Carissa: Not. I'm not a big fan of porn and knowing Dean sits around watching it and that's the type of girls he wants to bang doesn't impress me. I want more for Dean Winchester, dammit!

Alice: Hot, or at least really funny. Poor guy, last time Dean was laid was season seven. He’s done a year in Purgatory since then not to mention play nursemaid to his sick little brother. He needed this... bad. His reactions alone were priceless, like when she took her jacket off revealing the tight tank top and the part when they prayed on the couch. It’s right then and there he knew he was hitting that. Happy Dean makes me happy.   

Sean: Hot. His sheer giddiness matched with the sexual tension between the too, a little spanish, and ultimately, a dream come true made the moment very “muy caliente.” Plus, it’s good to see Dean having a little fun, especially because he’s always been the guy to flirt, hook up with girls. This was a win for Dean.

Was the deity twist a good “creature of the week” or did you wish it was dragons?

Carissa: I thought it was a decent twist. Dragons? Who needs dragons? I don't need no stinkin' dragons. She didn't look much like a goddess, though, and we didn't learn much about her in the end. She was kind of ancillary to story overall.

Alice: I did not wish it was dragons, but I wasn’t all that impressed with yet another rogue god either.  Boo hoo, she had to learn just like all the other gods that life changes and they’ve got to adapt.  You know she must have been desperate if she let Sam and Dean become born again virgins.  That’s really shoving something big back in the box.

Sean: She was fine for the story told, but nothing about the character was overly memorable besides the tie to virgins breaking their vow. I did like seeing her go from sweater wearing perky to killer goddess. It is interesting to see how the show handles the deities, too.

Do you agree with Dean’s decision not to tell Sam the truth after Ezekiel told him not to?

Carissa: I did. After what the goddess saw inside of Sam - a body full of ruined organs barely grasping onto life - he really couldn't risk it. I was surprised to learn his body wasn't healing quicker. I'm starting to wonder if Ezekiel can heal Sam at all. I think that's a conversation Dean needs to have with the angel to determine if something has gone wrong with the plan.

Alice: I have this sense that Dean doesn’t have a choice.  What would have happened if Dean told Ezekiel he was telling Sam anyway? It’s awfully suspicious that Sam’s insides are still in bad shape.  Zeke has probably been using Sam to heal himself and would do anything to prevent that conversation from taking place.  I have a feeling that’s exactly what’s going to happen next week.  

Sean: I’m still frustrated by it. On the one hand, I understand that Dean is just trying to help his brother. But at the same time, I’m surprised he hasn’t tried to find another way, especially since Sam hasn’t healed yet. I just wish he wouldn’t take “no” for an answer. I’m still on board the not trusting Ezekiel train and hope that the consequences of the angel inside Sam don’t make things worse.

Sean McKenna is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow him on Twitter.


I loved this episode. Jensen/Dean was absolutely wonderful. I loved the chemistry Jensen had with the actress that played Suzie. I would love to see her come back. I enjoyed their last kissing scene better than the first one actually. When Dean pulled her to him and just bear hugged her tight while kissing her. Wonderful and Hot!!! I didn't see them making fun of virgins at all-Dean was being Dean. His speech and Sammy's response to that speech brought me back to the earlier seasons. in which Dean said things that were inappropriate. That's what makes him so lovable. He just says what he feels. Which I love. Appropriate or not -that's just who Dean has always been. Finally a writer who got and understands who Dean is and wrote him correctly. I want this writer to keep writing. She needs to do more episodes.


I was glad to see Sheriff Mills, she got to be involved in this episode and we got a glimpse of how she's coping with life after all she's seen and been through. Thought this Greek god having to adjust to the current times was fine and served to put the guys, especially Dean in a comedic situation (which fans love!) and also flushed out the fact that Sam is not healing as quickly as hoped and Dean was ready to tell the Sam the truth rather that Sam feeling like it's his own fault. I do enjoy how Jared can go from Sam to Zeke to Sam without missing a beat! And I have to say that the scene with Dean and Suzie was the highlight. Dean on the road, stuck in motel rooms, Casa Erotica was his entertainment. He did say she was the "good dreams" since his life as a hunter is filled with nightmares.


Dean was sleazy and offensive in this episode, which makes him out of character, he's always been kind to his partners, even hookups, and in the past would always know when to back off, (Kali) or put off an opportunity for a hook up when the case was involved (last seasons' trials) So Dean was telling Suzie that he 'appreciated her work' that's still objectifying her, despite her attempts to leave the old life behind (too bad we never got an explanation of why that was) So instead we get an absurd 'comedic' scene which was out of the step with the rest of the episode. And yeah, Jensen was funny, he brings the whole level of this show up, but the writing was very problematic in this episode. When the show wasn't slamming virgins as sanctimonious prudes, Jodi and Honor proved themselves heroic, but the stock villian 'Vesta' was a direct rip-off of the season six roman goddess 'Veritas' in a set up to remind Sam yet again, there was something wrong with him. And we don't need to get into yet another one of this writers torture scenes, they've been in each of her episodes. blech.

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Supernatural Season 9 Episode 8 Quotes

Sex has always felt, I don't know, good. I mean, really, really good. But sometimes it just makes you feel bad. You’re drunk, you shack up, then it’s the whole morning thing, "Hey, that was fun," and then adios. Always the adios.


So you just hit the virginity do-over button and all is good with the man upstairs?