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Castle Round Table: "For Better or Worse"

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It was a tough finale for Castle fans who were anticipating a wonderfully romantic Caskett wedding and got anything but on Castle Season 6 Episode 23

Below, TV Fanatics Chandel Charles, Jim Garner, Robin Harry and Christine Orlando are joined by Lisa from The 12th a Castle Fan Forum to debate who abducted Castle, their most disappointing moments and what they want to see in season 7...

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Who do you think abducted Castle?

Chandel: I think that Bracken is behind this somehow. It feels like the only explanation. Not sure how it will play out, though!

Jim: I'm betting on his father. 

Robin: I'm thinking either Bracken's people or his father's people. Not really sure.

Lisa:  I honestly don't have a clue.  There are so many options, from past characters to new ones, and I think that's what's so interesting about the cliffhanger.  We truly have no way of knowing if someone was out to get him or if maybe someone was trying to protect him and the whole crash was staged.  It will definitely be a big way to start season seven.

Christine:  I'm going with 3XK. Remember the song that played at the end of Castle Season 6 Episode 9? "We will meet again. Don't know where, don't know when?" Well, this could be where and when.

Did you buy that Kate has gone 15 years without knowing she was married?

Chandel: I don't know. A lot happened to her during those years, it wouldn't surprise me if she was just looking for an escape and truly forgot/didn't know.

Jim: Seems like it might have come up in her background check to be a cop. Then again, so many parts made me go "really?"

Robin: That required some serious suspension of disbelief just to enjoy the fun of it. The notion that she could work for the NYPD, AND for the AG's office, without a background check revealing a marriage - to someone with a criminal record, no less -  is pretty absurd.

Lisa: Yes, I think enough was stated in the episode to make it clear that she was drunk at the time and hadn't recalled it until it came back to haunt her. I remember my college days, for the most part, and I don't think it's much a stretch to believe that she was experiencing that moment of suddenly having a drunken mistake that she hadn't remembered being flashed through her mind like a horrific nightmare. The memory was there, it just got pushed into her subconscious mind for all of these years until she was starkly reminded of it.

Christine: That bugged the heck out of me. NYPD's background check is very thorough and would have flagged that immediately, not to mention the AG's office. It was such a gaping plot hole that it really distracted me from enjoying the rest of the episode.

What disappointed you in the episode, if anything?

Chandel: That they spent all of it on the case and then dropped that crazy ending.

Jim: Biggest was the lack of wedding. Throughout all of Castle Season 6, we've been waiting and waiting... and they pull a "all the impossible thing happen last minute" episode that didn't actually give us our wedding. 

Robin: The ending both disappointed and annoyed me.  We all know Castle's not dead - it would have been way more interesting if we actually saw him in danger, rather than a flaming car we know he's not in.  Also, would it have been so bad to actually let them get married?

Lisa: I didn't feel disappointed at all, to be perfectly honest. I thought it was hilarious and I loved the premise of having Beckett be the one to get she and Castle in over their heads for a change, totally shifting the typical dynamic between them. But I also thought there were some really great heartfelt moments and, of course, that powerful and stunning cliffhanger that leaves the door open for a new realm of storytelling in the fall.

Christine: Beckett breaking into that truck disappointed me. It seemed so out of character. I know the whole story line was a farce but the fact that she'd let Rogan O'Leary bully her into stealing something and risk her career ruined the fun for me.

What was the most romantic moment?

Chandel: Definitely Kate and Castle on the park bench when she's crying over her dress and Castle reminds her they have to fight for their happy ending.

Jim: Lanie and Espo waiting for the guests.

Robin: I think Lanie and Esposito actually had the most romantic moment, sitting and holding hands as they waited.  

Lisa: I'm torn between two of them; the first was the conversation between Castle and Beckett on the bench where Castle reaffirmed what Beckett told him back in season four, that great love stories are all about beating the odds.  I loved that it set the stage for the cliffhanger while also reminding us that theirs is a story worth telling and it's because of the obstacles they have to go through that makes their victory over it all mean so much more. The second was the phone call they had at the end of the episode, with their love just radiating through the screen and they truly seemed happier than ever.

Christine: I would have loved more romance in the show, but I'll hope for that during the real wedding next season. I thought Castle telling Kate, "You can't give up. That's the deal. We want the happy ending, we can't give up," was the perfect sentiment. It also ended up being a message to Castle fans. 

What was the funniest moment?

Chandel: O' Leary telling Kate the guy she was marrying was a d-bag. Made me burst out laughing.

Jim: I laughed at Castle being asked if his story would still be funny if he were bleeding. 

Robin: I liked the first precinct scene, with Gates managing to insult Castle while congratulating Beckett, and Ryan and Esposito smacking each other back and forth with Beckett's cases. That was fun.

Lisa: I loved the part where Rogan was kidnapped and Beckett just watched the truck speed away before she stopped, totally in disbelief, and said "really?" I always love seeing Beckett in a situation she can't control because it's always so hilarious and this was no exception. But I also loved the bit with Ryan's tux being too small for him as they all played that scene out perfectly.

Christine: Castle telling Rogan, "We just followed the trail of disappointment and deception. It led us right to you."

What was your favorite scene?

Chandel: Seeing Beckett in her dress for the first time. There was something magical about it.

Jim: Martha giving Kate the earrings. It was so touching. 

Robin: Kate's meltdown about the wedding plans going awry, and Castle comforting her. We don't often see Kate get emotional about normal things, and it was a wonderfully human side of her, as opposed to the super-cop she normally is. Castle's calm reassurance was perfect and touching.

Lisa: It's a toss up between the scene on the bench that I mentioned as one of the most romantic moments, just because it really tied everything together for me in terms of what the greater purpose of the finale really was, and the cliffhanger, because that was such a powerful and emotional ending leaving so many questions in the air for us to speculate over for the summer hiatus.  hat's good television.

Christine: Kate and Martha. I loved that scene. Martha thanking Kate for making her son so happy and then giving her the earrings that were a family heirloom. "Only women of substance have worn these gems. They've been waiting, Katherine, for you." Such a beautiful moment between them. And I'm certain Martha never took those earrings out for either Meredith or Gina! 

What are your hopes for Castle season 7?

Chandel: Clearly that Kate and Rick get married and have their happily ever after!

Jim: A wedding?! Maybe seeing Kate take Castle's name and struggle with the change.

Robin: This season really wasn't the greatest in staying true to the characters - Alexis, Lanie and Castle all sort of had issues. I'm hoping next season is a bit better.  Also, A WEDDING!!

Lisa: I thought they did a great job of having the characters grow a lot this season and I'd love to see more of that next season. I love the challenges they face and how it pushes them past their limits to really explore new facets of the characters and make them better appreciate what they have in their lives. But I'd also love to see them get married when the time is right and the story of them getting to that point has been told in its entirety because that just means, to me, that it will have an even greater impact on us and mean even more to us when it happens.

Christine:  I read an interview with show creator Andrew Marlowe where he said the show's budget was "running on fumes" by the end of this season. I'm hoping that the new season 7 budget means the cliffhanger will lead us to a spectacular Caskett wedding. They can skip the 300 guests but I want Kate in her mom's dress and I want to see them and their immediate friends and family back in the Hamptons. Fingers crossed. It's going to be a long summer.

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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I wouldn't put it past Marlowe to have Castle thrown out of his car before it crashed and have amnesia for at least 2 episodes! This would really delay the wedding and disappoint the fans!

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Marlowe mentioned in an interview that their budget for season 6 was running on fumes. While I understand that giving the fans the wedding we want will be costly, I wish they would have just made this a two parter with the season finale being wonderful wedding prep and then the season 7 premiere being the actual wedding. In my opinion, that would have been far better than the ridiculous Beckett's already married farce and the car off a cliff nonsense.

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@ Kelly

Correct. We just don't need false drama. This is what Dynasty reruns are for.

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The whole Beckett being married before was a farce. Insulting actually. Marlowe knowing the wedding was not going to place all season, but leading us on was downright mean. Dreaming up ways for Caskett not being married is getting old. No reasons or excuses to not have that happen. The Kate and Martha scene was lovely as was the park bench scene. Both would have flowed nice to the ceremony. Too bad.

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Lisa, do you work for Marlowe? I'm sorry but you seem to be spinning this debacle more than the actual people who make the show.

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@ Grey

Jeez you said it! I guess there are still a few people out there that seem to still be drinking the "Marlowe is a genius" kool-aid. After last years final 3 out of the blue ep's & now this suspend ALL common sense ep; I myself think that he & Terri ought to hand over the reins to another writer who will stay true to the characters. Beckett is now an NYPD detective & former FBI (or whatever the hell that job was) agent who is now apparently dumb enough to not think that the marriage was real??!! C'mon!!

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@ Grey

Lol. I was wondering the same.

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Well, I missed the first 22 minutes do to storms in No east Ohio.All we had was tornado warnings. Sorry I missed the comedy in those 22 minutes.
Favorite scene was Castle and Beckett sitting on the bus stop bench. Him reassuring her that every thing will be okay. Just wish he would of put his arms around her and showed some affection.
For sure 3xk is back.But he will probably have a different face since his girlfriend is a plastic surgeon.
Yes I was so disappointed there was no wedding. But once Castle is found,just go down to city hall with close family and friends.Exchange their vows(they will be beautiful) Beckett can still wear her Mom's dress,then go to the Old Haunt for wedding reception!

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I was truly disappointed when the wedding didn't take place. I waited for this wedding for so long! Please give us the wedding with Kate wearing her mother's wedding dress. She was absolutely beautiful!

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We were cheated out of Ryan and Jenny's wedding, for the most part. THEN we get this travesty of an episode. A very few good moments embedded in stupidity (background checks don't find Beckett's criminal husband), Beckett breaking the law got the idiot she married so she can get married, etc. on and on with worthless scenes. Moments that were wonderful-Martha giving Kate the earrings, Beckett in her mother's dress, especially after that wreck of a runway dress she had, Lani and Espo holding hands and holding down the fort, BUT not enough Alexis anywhere. There should have been a very touching Father/Daughter moment after 6 years of them! Get better, get back on track, get it in your "creative" (?) heads that the fans deserve better, or get off the air.

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Obviously Castle isn't dead:the show is called CASTLE. Loved the scene where Ryan's tux is too small. Opposite thing happened to my brother: the tux they delivered was huge.

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@ SueQ

Unless...they are shifting dynamics. Season 7: Alexis CASTLE and Beckett work together to find her father's killer(s). We all know Alexis has that detective instinct after episodes such as "Like Father like Daughter."

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4 - Kate/Rick related, the bench park scene, it was beautiful!
Lanie/Espo was romantic, but I kind of think it came from nowhere...
5 - Actually, there were a few, but comes to my mind one near the end, when Rogan told his girlfriend his "wife" had died, she said she was sorry and Kate answered: "Don´t be, she´s in a much better place"! I laughed at that:)
6 - The bench park and Martha giving Kate the earrings!
7 - I enjoyed this season (more than S5).
My hope is we have a wedding, but I wouldn´t like having it right away at the beginning of the season.
If it was in my hands, I´d like it to land on the final episode of the fall, going into the winter hiatus. I´d open the episode with some case, but only for like 5 minutes; then, at the Hamptons (I still want it to be there) we would have a big part of the episode focusing on the wedding, the party, the dance - Ryan/Espo would receive some news on the phone, would argue if telling them and then deciding not, saying it could wait for when they return from the honeymoon! I can dream, can´t I?:)

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1- I´m with Lisa, no clue! At first I tought he was kidnapped, but if so they wouldn´t make it look like he was dead, becauseof the ransom - I rad an interview when Marlowe said they were introducing a new mithology, so maybe it´s that.
2 - Forgetting for a moment that Kate is a cop and thinking of her as a "normal" person, yes I can buy it - she was 18/19, was stated she was drunk and it´s not that she forgot it, she said she believed it wasn´t for real, she even broke up with him a few weeks later and it was never an issue. So when would something like that come up? Obviously when she needed a marriage license and that was only now, 15 years later!
The only reason I don´t buy it is because SHE IS a cop, had a high profile job with the A.G. and I just don´t believe her background wasn´t double checked...
3 - Actually only the fact that I couldn´t buy the fact that her past hadn´t came up sooner (like I said on point 2). I didn´t mind not having the wedding and I liked the cliffhanger.