The Mentalist Season Finale Review: Tea with Red John Comments (Page 3)
151 Comments
Terry Wu
May 26th, 2011 10:34 PM
Is there anyone who remember the another team took over the Red John's case from Lisbon's team? All team members were killed by the hand of Red John. The boss of this team told Patrick Red John had made a misstake and this mistake could lead Patrick to catch Red John. However, what is the mistake Red John made? The following episodes didn't mention it. Now, Patrick did exactly what he said, Red John was killed by Patrick. But the writter didn't let Patrick use the above clue. I think this is a issue of the Mentalist. Additionally, I lived in China and can't get the latest new about the Mentalist in time. Due to this, if I am wrong, Please let me know and correct me. Million Thanks for your time.
Cobra
May 25th, 2011 3:26 PM
Excellent finale to series 3 but still too many questions and far to easy set up in my opinion. I believe the writers stated that it was red john who Patrick shot but this is The Mentalist after all so they could be pulling the wool!
I think that Bartram is Red John and played Patrick well.
Funny he was reading the same paper as Red John and left the mall as RJ appeared?
Another note is why did Jane automatically assume the assassin was going for Room 505? Rope was long enough for any of the apartments below. And why handcuffs? Surely she was there to kill mole? (By the way Craig was invited up to Hightower's so could be two insiders)
Someone on an earlier post noted Bertram phoning somebody before he met Jane. That was probably RJ stand in to cover him at mall as he would know Jane would be armed.
Gale also mentioned giving Jane enough rope to hang himself therefore putting the wrong room sugesstion into Jane's head.
Cast your mind back to when Bosco was shot by his secr
notled
May 25th, 2011 3:12 PM
It is possible that the person Jane killed in the food court was the "hand" of RJ, and that he WAS the one who killed Jane's family (and DID experience what he discribed). That way, RJ could be still alive, but Jane could still have gotten his revenge.
I'm fine with RJ being dead, though. I expect the writers can rise to the challenge of keeping the series interesting.
fozo
May 25th, 2011 1:13 PM
((BJ May 20th, 2011 4:18 PM Anyone know the name of the actor who played Gupta and where we have seen him before? Just can't remember)) His name is Ravi kapoor in Croosing jordan (as Dr. Mahesh "Bug" Vijay), (2001-2007)
Dry Bones
May 24th, 2011 11:02 AM
RJ was played on way to long. Anything new is better!
@ Chief Inspector. I agree that without RJ ther is no Show, but that doesn'mean that this one coldn't be the real RJ. We already knew this is a sort of evil cult, he could have decided to get killed by Jane for some fanatic reason and now the church will regard him as a god and follow his legacy, or maybe he wasn't RJ, but for me RJ wants Jane to become him, he wants that Jane become evile and follows his footsteps.
Pigeon
May 24th, 2011 8:16 AM
First, i'd like to say that i'm french so my english is quite bad. In my opinion i think that Red John is not dead, it can't be because it would be too easy, John has been so clever and so brilliant (i don't mean that i like what he has done) and would never has put his/her/self in danger like this. He can't be dead because that means that the serie is over so i think he/she/ is still alive and maybe like some people have said, maybe it's an organisation or many people.
FCBarca
May 24th, 2011 5:23 AM
1) What was RJ doing at the mall when O'Laughlin was the mole?...How would he know about the Betram meetup?..Why does RJ even appear anywhere to begin with?...He's been incognito throughout the series...I'm all for tying up a story arc but this was sloppy, IMO
2) When the team saw the assassin in the hotel and apprehended her, how did the rope & pulley harness not suggest that it might not have been the room the killer was targeting?...Seemed pretty elementary that it was going to be a different room
3) We're supposed to believe that RJ would have the Indian gas station attendant pose as the recipient for the CDs from the first bombing victim in this episode?...A bit too 'out in the open' for RJ, isn't it?...Found it very confusing
4) Van Pelt clearly hears something when O'Laughlin kills the police officers but a detective like her (Knowing a killer is out and that he is on the list) doesn't even think twice about it?...Inconsistent
5) A LOT of loose ends were left una
Rumbero
May 23rd, 2011 12:08 PM
I can't wait to find out next season:
1) What happens to Jane?
2) What is in La Rouche's tupperware?
3) Grace and Rigsby getting back together?
4) Hightower returns or retires
5) What happens to Kristina Frye (psychic). She is currently catatonic and thinks she is dead.
6) Who is Red John after finger[rints identify who he really is and a search of his house.
Great show.
Rumbero
May 23rd, 2011 11:46 AM
Great Reviews and thoughts.
COnisider the following:
1)If the heart pendant was indeed a tracking device, than there is no need for O'laughling to go with Grace, since he would already know where she is.
2) Bertram came with Patrick Jane to the mall. Patrick announced "ill drive"
3) Patrick had a listening device on him which Cho could hear. In addition, to many cameras.
4) Red John will have phone call records with Olaughlin.
5) CAn't rule out more than one "mole"
6)Bertram quoted Blake which makes him suspect.
7) Who did Bertram call after Patrick said hightower wanted to turn herself in?
I'm with cheif inspector allll the way. He's got great points and a true mentalist fan see's how the story will play out and how it won't. Of course it wasn't red John,or the show would die with him.
Chief Inspector
May 22nd, 2011 3:02 AM
I can't believe some of these people that posted here are mentalist fans . How the hell can you be pleased with that ending ? Are you a real mentalist fan ? The story is dragged ? What is really wrong with you people ? :) The show woulnd't exist without Red John , as Patrick Jane wouldnt hang with the CBI , after he had his revenge . Simple as that ! There would be no interest in watching the show , with Red John gone . RJ is more important than PJ in this show . And by the way , you dont have to be a sound engineer to notest that the voice from the second season's finale [ cold , calm - Real RJ ] , is totally different from this warm deluded fake RJ voice from the third season's finale . Go ahead and compare them ! Besides , Red John wouldnt risk capture like that ... He is as obsessed as Patrick ! He likes to test Patrick , as he did in this last episode , to see if he'd really kill him , but he likes having the advantage , he wouldnt be near Patrick , as he knows Patrick would made
jose
May 22nd, 2011 2:04 AM
anybody wonder how red john knew jane would be at the food court?
S.
May 21st, 2011 10:43 PM
IDK if the guy was red john or not. But it is quite simple for Jane to get out of jail. He had a gun AND you have O'Laughin's phone to prove he was in contact with that guy. AND Lisbon as a witness that the guy responded: "oh well, sometimes you loose...". So, he can proove the guy sent O'Laughin and the guy had a gun. Self-defense, obviously.
leo
May 21st, 2011 10:00 PM
muy bueno venia bastante baja la serie, si es verdad q esta confirmada otra temporada entonces no creo q ese haya sido red jhon, y no es una exageracion como dicen x ahi...
hay bastantes pistas para pensar esto, la mayor y mas obia, red jhon ya sabia del plan y ya sabia q lo queria matar.
imaginense, jane mata a un hombre inocente, va a la carcel y se entera q no era red jhon, esta mas undido q nunca, ya perdio.... q final de serie mas epico q ese se pueden imaginar si al final de todo eso termina matando al verdadero?
eso si, si al final no lo mata, lo lleva a la carcel, y que quede como q esta vez, al final hace lo correcto seria la peor bazofia ya q toda la serie pregono ser distinta en ese aspecto y quedaria en otra cursileria de justicia....
So suppose Jane shot a man who happened to have a gun with a permit. Also, Jane would have to convince people that the man he killed was actually Red John. Considering he couldn`t get any physical evidence linked to him before I find that a tad unbelievable.
getaclue
May 21st, 2011 3:39 PM
RJ was armed. Jayne will claim self defense and win.
The next season will take us to a time jump when Jane gets out of jail because that`s where he`s going. He killed a man in front of a lot of witnesses. No matter the cause there has to be some punishment.
ses
May 21st, 2011 8:46 AM
Omg what a fantastic but spine tingling finale!!! Let me just say I knew it was Oloughlin come on people u had to see that comin. However I will admit for a brief moment I thought CBS was goin to deliever a twist with the spy bein of the immediate circle but glad they didnt. So the the whole jane caring for lisabon was cute I guess ive always had a soft spot for them hoping they get together. The whole van pelt slash crazy dead fiance thing im sad for her but she should have never ended things with rigsby. Now Red John and Jane what an interesting endn but I have a question that maybe I missed early in seasons Why did Red John kill janes family? And RD really being dead brings some questions like what will Jane do now the whole RJ is dead. What will be his reasons for staying? And come on people just becuz this guy knew a lil fact bout his family doesnt make him RJ. All and All great endn but leave alot of questions.
Truman
May 21st, 2011 8:06 AM
Ok, starting with the pleasantries: Great season finale! All of your theories were fun to read and informative.
Just one major concern of mine. There is SOMETHING up with Bertram. I mean, nobody has addressed that it was Bertram who quoted yet another William Blake poem after Hightower's escape. It's too specific a reference to be coincidence. This could readily fall in line with Bertram being another of Red John's informants, but it still makes us wonder, if there were connections that Jane & Co. still hadn't made about Red John, then how will they be addressed in the show now that Red John is dead? Or of course the question: Is Red John really dead? Was the man Jane killed just another ready-to-die minion/decoy of RJ's, given a very specific fact about his Jane's family's killing in case it was ever needed? I don't know I may be reaching a little far here. Eagerly anticipating the next season.
broadwayfan
May 21st, 2011 2:16 AM
After the clues in the TV GUIDE article I knew...or thought I knew who Red John was going to be. Then, I saw him that the table reading the paper when the shot at the food court widened.
Part of me has always thought Patick might actually take him in.
But, that heartless cruel desrciption of Jane's wife and little girl were just too much for his agonized, tortured soul.
After all,the man is a multiple murderer, he didn't get shot in the back, and had that gun with the hollow point bullets.
As said in another program I love: "The shooting was justified."
Very satisfying ending to three years of waiting.
Now Patrick can start to heal, I hope.
I'm pretty sure Craig didn't pull the necklace from Grace's neck because he was trying to be "cold" (though obviously he must be some kind of sociopath) ... I think he was trying to give her a message... that the necklace wasn't a gift but a recording device. Remember when Red John tells Jane that Craig told him about the trap? I don't think there is any way he could have known that without listening to her conversations.
Matt
May 21st, 2011 12:44 AM
It's Red John. They wouldn't sacrifice Jane's morals, killing and guns and all that for anyone else. It was time to move on anyway.
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
May 21st, 2011 12:20 AM
Excellent finale. I hope RJ's dead. I loved the sting and the setup for it. The end was awesome.
Van Pelt shouldn't have told O'Loughlin anything after the sting and especially not invite him up to see Hightower since there is always the possibility that there's more than one mole.
JC
May 20th, 2011 11:03 PM
I don't get it. Why would the assassin need a rope to climb down to hunt Hightower when Red John already knew it was all Jane's plan? All the assassin needed to do was show up at the room (and leave immediately) to mislead Jane who the mole was. So why did she need that rope? Had she really used that rope Jane would've figured O'Laughlin was the real mole right away. Was that what RJ wanted?
May 26th, 2011 10:34 PM
Is there anyone who remember the another team took over the Red John's case from Lisbon's team? All team members were killed by the hand of Red John. The boss of this team told Patrick Red John had made a misstake and this mistake could lead Patrick to catch Red John. However, what is the mistake Red John made? The following episodes didn't mention it. Now, Patrick did exactly what he said, Red John was killed by Patrick. But the writter didn't let Patrick use the above clue. I think this is a issue of the Mentalist. Additionally, I lived in China and can't get the latest new about the Mentalist in time. Due to this, if I am wrong, Please let me know and correct me. Million Thanks for your time.
May 25th, 2011 3:26 PM
Excellent finale to series 3 but still too many questions and far to easy set up in my opinion. I believe the writers stated that it was red john who Patrick shot but this is The Mentalist after all so they could be pulling the wool!
I think that Bartram is Red John and played Patrick well.
Funny he was reading the same paper as Red John and left the mall as RJ appeared?
Another note is why did Jane automatically assume the assassin was going for Room 505? Rope was long enough for any of the apartments below. And why handcuffs? Surely she was there to kill mole? (By the way Craig was invited up to Hightower's so could be two insiders)
Someone on an earlier post noted Bertram phoning somebody before he met Jane. That was probably RJ stand in to cover him at mall as he would know Jane would be armed.
Gale also mentioned giving Jane enough rope to hang himself therefore putting the wrong room sugesstion into Jane's head.
Cast your mind back to when Bosco was shot by his secr
May 25th, 2011 3:12 PM
It is possible that the person Jane killed in the food court was the "hand" of RJ, and that he WAS the one who killed Jane's family (and DID experience what he discribed). That way, RJ could be still alive, but Jane could still have gotten his revenge.
I'm fine with RJ being dead, though. I expect the writers can rise to the challenge of keeping the series interesting.
May 25th, 2011 1:13 PM
((BJ May 20th, 2011 4:18 PM Anyone know the name of the actor who played Gupta and where we have seen him before? Just can't remember)) His name is Ravi kapoor in Croosing jordan (as Dr. Mahesh "Bug" Vijay), (2001-2007)
May 24th, 2011 11:02 AM
RJ was played on way to long. Anything new is better!
Rank: New User
May 24th, 2011 8:30 AM
@ Chief Inspector. I agree that without RJ ther is no Show, but that doesn'mean that this one coldn't be the real RJ. We already knew this is a sort of evil cult, he could have decided to get killed by Jane for some fanatic reason and now the church will regard him as a god and follow his legacy, or maybe he wasn't RJ, but for me RJ wants Jane to become him, he wants that Jane become evile and follows his footsteps.
May 24th, 2011 8:16 AM
First, i'd like to say that i'm french so my english is quite bad. In my opinion i think that Red John is not dead, it can't be because it would be too easy, John has been so clever and so brilliant (i don't mean that i like what he has done) and would never has put his/her/self in danger like this. He can't be dead because that means that the serie is over so i think he/she/ is still alive and maybe like some people have said, maybe it's an organisation or many people.
May 24th, 2011 5:23 AM
1) What was RJ doing at the mall when O'Laughlin was the mole?...How would he know about the Betram meetup?..Why does RJ even appear anywhere to begin with?...He's been incognito throughout the series...I'm all for tying up a story arc but this was sloppy, IMO
2) When the team saw the assassin in the hotel and apprehended her, how did the rope & pulley harness not suggest that it might not have been the room the killer was targeting?...Seemed pretty elementary that it was going to be a different room
3) We're supposed to believe that RJ would have the Indian gas station attendant pose as the recipient for the CDs from the first bombing victim in this episode?...A bit too 'out in the open' for RJ, isn't it?...Found it very confusing
4) Van Pelt clearly hears something when O'Laughlin kills the police officers but a detective like her (Knowing a killer is out and that he is on the list) doesn't even think twice about it?...Inconsistent
5) A LOT of loose ends were left una
May 23rd, 2011 12:08 PM
I can't wait to find out next season:
1) What happens to Jane?
2) What is in La Rouche's tupperware?
3) Grace and Rigsby getting back together?
4) Hightower returns or retires
5) What happens to Kristina Frye (psychic). She is currently catatonic and thinks she is dead.
6) Who is Red John after finger[rints identify who he really is and a search of his house.
Great show.
May 23rd, 2011 11:46 AM
Great Reviews and thoughts.
COnisider the following:
1)If the heart pendant was indeed a tracking device, than there is no need for O'laughling to go with Grace, since he would already know where she is.
2) Bertram came with Patrick Jane to the mall. Patrick announced "ill drive"
3) Patrick had a listening device on him which Cho could hear. In addition, to many cameras.
4) Red John will have phone call records with Olaughlin.
5) CAn't rule out more than one "mole"
6)Bertram quoted Blake which makes him suspect.
7) Who did Bertram call after Patrick said hightower wanted to turn herself in?
5)
Rank: Guest Star
May 22nd, 2011 5:08 PM
I'm with cheif inspector allll the way. He's got great points and a true mentalist fan see's how the story will play out and how it won't. Of course it wasn't red John,or the show would die with him.
May 22nd, 2011 3:02 AM
I can't believe some of these people that posted here are mentalist fans . How the hell can you be pleased with that ending ? Are you a real mentalist fan ? The story is dragged ? What is really wrong with you people ? :) The show woulnd't exist without Red John , as Patrick Jane wouldnt hang with the CBI , after he had his revenge . Simple as that ! There would be no interest in watching the show , with Red John gone . RJ is more important than PJ in this show . And by the way , you dont have to be a sound engineer to notest that the voice from the second season's finale [ cold , calm - Real RJ ] , is totally different from this warm deluded fake RJ voice from the third season's finale . Go ahead and compare them ! Besides , Red John wouldnt risk capture like that ... He is as obsessed as Patrick ! He likes to test Patrick , as he did in this last episode , to see if he'd really kill him , but he likes having the advantage , he wouldnt be near Patrick , as he knows Patrick would made
May 22nd, 2011 2:04 AM
anybody wonder how red john knew jane would be at the food court?
May 21st, 2011 10:43 PM
IDK if the guy was red john or not. But it is quite simple for Jane to get out of jail. He had a gun AND you have O'Laughin's phone to prove he was in contact with that guy. AND Lisbon as a witness that the guy responded: "oh well, sometimes you loose...". So, he can proove the guy sent O'Laughin and the guy had a gun. Self-defense, obviously.
May 21st, 2011 10:00 PM
muy bueno venia bastante baja la serie, si es verdad q esta confirmada otra temporada entonces no creo q ese haya sido red jhon, y no es una exageracion como dicen x ahi...
hay bastantes pistas para pensar esto, la mayor y mas obia, red jhon ya sabia del plan y ya sabia q lo queria matar.
imaginense, jane mata a un hombre inocente, va a la carcel y se entera q no era red jhon, esta mas undido q nunca, ya perdio.... q final de serie mas epico q ese se pueden imaginar si al final de todo eso termina matando al verdadero?
eso si, si al final no lo mata, lo lleva a la carcel, y que quede como q esta vez, al final hace lo correcto seria la peor bazofia ya q toda la serie pregono ser distinta en ese aspecto y quedaria en otra cursileria de justicia....
Rank: Guest Star
May 21st, 2011 9:25 PM
So suppose Jane shot a man who happened to have a gun with a permit. Also, Jane would have to convince people that the man he killed was actually Red John. Considering he couldn`t get any physical evidence linked to him before I find that a tad unbelievable.
May 21st, 2011 3:39 PM
RJ was armed. Jayne will claim self defense and win.
Rank: Guest Star
May 21st, 2011 11:53 AM
The next season will take us to a time jump when Jane gets out of jail because that`s where he`s going. He killed a man in front of a lot of witnesses. No matter the cause there has to be some punishment.
May 21st, 2011 8:46 AM
Omg what a fantastic but spine tingling finale!!! Let me just say I knew it was Oloughlin come on people u had to see that comin. However I will admit for a brief moment I thought CBS was goin to deliever a twist with the spy bein of the immediate circle but glad they didnt. So the the whole jane caring for lisabon was cute I guess ive always had a soft spot for them hoping they get together. The whole van pelt slash crazy dead fiance thing im sad for her but she should have never ended things with rigsby. Now Red John and Jane what an interesting endn but I have a question that maybe I missed early in seasons Why did Red John kill janes family? And RD really being dead brings some questions like what will Jane do now the whole RJ is dead. What will be his reasons for staying? And come on people just becuz this guy knew a lil fact bout his family doesnt make him RJ. All and All great endn but leave alot of questions.
May 21st, 2011 8:06 AM
Ok, starting with the pleasantries: Great season finale! All of your theories were fun to read and informative.
Just one major concern of mine. There is SOMETHING up with Bertram. I mean, nobody has addressed that it was Bertram who quoted yet another William Blake poem after Hightower's escape. It's too specific a reference to be coincidence. This could readily fall in line with Bertram being another of Red John's informants, but it still makes us wonder, if there were connections that Jane & Co. still hadn't made about Red John, then how will they be addressed in the show now that Red John is dead? Or of course the question: Is Red John really dead? Was the man Jane killed just another ready-to-die minion/decoy of RJ's, given a very specific fact about his Jane's family's killing in case it was ever needed? I don't know I may be reaching a little far here. Eagerly anticipating the next season.
May 21st, 2011 2:16 AM
After the clues in the TV GUIDE article I knew...or thought I knew who Red John was going to be. Then, I saw him that the table reading the paper when the shot at the food court widened.
Part of me has always thought Patick might actually take him in.
But, that heartless cruel desrciption of Jane's wife and little girl were just too much for his agonized, tortured soul.
After all,the man is a multiple murderer, he didn't get shot in the back, and had that gun with the hollow point bullets.
As said in another program I love: "The shooting was justified."
Very satisfying ending to three years of waiting.
Now Patrick can start to heal, I hope.
Rank: New User
May 21st, 2011 1:47 AM
I'm pretty sure Craig didn't pull the necklace from Grace's neck because he was trying to be "cold" (though obviously he must be some kind of sociopath) ... I think he was trying to give her a message... that the necklace wasn't a gift but a recording device. Remember when Red John tells Jane that Craig told him about the trap? I don't think there is any way he could have known that without listening to her conversations.
May 21st, 2011 12:44 AM
It's Red John. They wouldn't sacrifice Jane's morals, killing and guns and all that for anyone else. It was time to move on anyway.
Rank: Regular Character
May 21st, 2011 12:20 AM
Excellent finale. I hope RJ's dead. I loved the sting and the setup for it. The end was awesome.
Van Pelt shouldn't have told O'Loughlin anything after the sting and especially not invite him up to see Hightower since there is always the possibility that there's more than one mole.
May 20th, 2011 11:03 PM
I don't get it. Why would the assassin need a rope to climb down to hunt Hightower when Red John already knew it was all Jane's plan? All the assassin needed to do was show up at the room (and leave immediately) to mislead Jane who the mole was. So why did she need that rope? Had she really used that rope Jane would've figured O'Laughlin was the real mole right away. Was that what RJ wanted?