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That was red john, come on. I don't think the writers of The Mentalist would draw up a plot for a fake red john, that would be too silly and an exaggeration of red john's planning. Jane will not leave the CBI team because he's found a calling, and red john's purpose of 'creating good through evil' was already set as permanent on Jane's will to fight crime. I think, like any terrorist organization, a new leader will emerge in the red john network. His voice was like the one on the other finale, while he was on the phone with the FBI guy, who clearly was evil from way back when he appeared on the show. If this guy isn't red john, that would be a huge upset to fans, even if he has a twin or whatever. red john is gone, but the red john network lives on.
WOW what a final, as soon as i heard Red Johns voice i knew it was him! I wanted to see an even darker side to Patrick Jane as he butchered Red John but i suppose this is not Dexter.
We couldn't really see anything of what either man was doing from about mid chest down, when the shooting of "Red John" occurred. So, is it possible that 1. Red John was actually pointing that gun with the hollow points at Patrick Jane at the moment Jane fired his gun, making it legitimate self-defense? Or, 2. Jane didn't actually fire the shots that killed Red John, he had a gun in his pocket ready to do just that, but the shots that killed Red John came from elsewhere, or even from some sort of explosives rigged to his own body? Then Jane pulled the gun out of his pocket, making it appear to everyone that he had fired the shots . . . I also think it's a definite possibility that this guy might not be the real Red John. For one thing, the fact that he said the "Strawberries & Cream" thing to Jane seems designed to goad him into the very violent action he appears to have taken. So the guy could be one of Red John's minions, willing to die for the "cause", as it were. If so the w
Janes whole roose to catch the mole was clever ..
However .. I have a feeling Red John knew the plan before ... well.. kinda,
My first hint was with the assassin, why did she wait on the bed ? Was it to purposely lure out the CBI ?
I'm most likely not right. Just a hunch, it's pointless anyway now we believe Red John is dead.
I feel this season finale was a closure on everything,
All the other suspects being moles would be too cliche,
I feel a fresh start, a new plot, uncovering behind RedJohn, why people worked for him, and possibly Red John is just a concept, .. however that seems unlikely, so maybe it becomes one ?
For some reason I feel next season we will be seeing more of Janes past
I for one, was not convinced that was Red John, he could be another one of Red Johns accomplices who was given that information to tell Patrick Jane. Lets say I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of season 4 we find out that "Red John" is still alive and this one was a well placed fake.
It has to be the real Red John Jane shot, anything else would be a cop out on the writers part after all these years of searching for him. I love the choice to portray him as a completely normal, sane man, it does make the fact that he viciously murdered people a lot creepier. And remember, this is a man who has supposedly entangled god knows how many people in his web. This is the same man that Rebecca, Bosco's secretary, honestly believed was doind good deeds for the world.
What's going to be interesting now is seeing how the team (especially Lisbon!) reacts to all of this. I have a feeling that the DA's animosity towards the SCU is going to come into play, but obviously, for the sake of keeping the show running, somehow, someway Jane will be exonerated. Clearly there are some Red John loose ends - what exactly did he do to Kristina? How is Bret Stiles involved? - and many more, I'd love to see Red John's accomplices all somehow come into play. Jane said the man had minions all o
This could go either way. If they want Patrick to have killed Red John, then it will turn out to be Red John. If they want Red John to reappear later, then the show's writers will just say that Red John gave his minion enough info to convince Patrick that the minion was Red John. Kinda frustrating really in that each is equally likely and the "super villain" can keep going if they want.
Fuck you Red John
You have to remember...
The crux of this conflict were two people who had the same skill set, but were on opposite sides of the mirror.
Red John WAS Patrick Jayne... only the maniacal and psychopathic versus the mischivous and easily bored one. Patrick Jayne is a modern day version of Sherlock Holmes. He is extraordianarily gifted, deductive, but a sociopath in his own right. This is why he acts like everyone else is beneath him when they cant see, or dont understand what he has already deduced.
Red John could manipulate most people the same way Patrick Jayne can. Only Red John has no conscience on how far he imposes his skills and will on them. Patrick at least does his thing to people who are willing for the very most part, and to either get information, OR, to help them (as in hypnosis to stop the person smoking in an episode).
The writing and acting in this finale was better than most movies Hollywood produces today. The Mentalist has given us characters with real personalities including very human weaknesses and strengths. A character as tormented and grief-stricken as Patrick Jane would not have hesitated to pull the trigger once he was sure the killer of his family indeed stood before him. What a surprise that a TV network allowed the hero to actually take out the bad guy! Our DVR has helped us never miss an episode, and we are looking forward to Session 4!
Gupta was played by Ravi Kapoor also known from Crossing Jordan, 24, Heroes.
And I hope next season we will learn about the people behind Red John and their philosophy of chaos and evil around the 'tiger & lamb' theme. They still exist and his network might be used by a different person or group of maniacs. There are lots of possible developments. The phone call of the director, why didn't La Roche use a car with a secure compartment to transfer Gupta, the religious motive from William Blake, aso. - we are left with a couple of unanswered questions we can reflect about for months. Great work.
Red John's materpiece: Making Jane shoot an innocent man,
I would like to believe that was the real RJ as if it was not it would be too dramatic, over the top and frankly a little bit stupid
but i do believe the RJ storyline is not over maybe RJ's accomplices finish what he started i also believe jane will be able to start relationships now (take his ring off, and maybe go out with lisbon etc.)
A lot of people are mentioning jail/prison. Remember when Jane was suspended (first season, first episode)? A CBI agent would be suspended with pay while Internal Affairs investigated the shooting -- so I expect next season's opener will start with Jane suspended ... and the case that draws him back in.
You know, it turns out I sort of like LaRoche and his little dog (and Hightower too). Wonder if they can all fit?
What a wonderfully satisfying ending. Patrick gets his revenge. Bang, just blew three holes in the bad guy. I am so sick of politically correct twits shooting the bad guy 15 minutes into the script and then spending the rest of the time whinning about the loss of a poor soul and how they are so moved and so upset. The writers deserve five gold stars for this one. The plot of the show is always clever with lots of tension and dynamic between the characters. I had the show recorded and spent the next five minutes replaying Red John's demise. Marvelous!!!
Anyone know the name of the actor who played Gupta and where we have seen him before? Just can't remember.
I think we'll go for most of next season thinking Red John is dead and then at the end of the season there will be a Red John cliffhanger. That way they keep both camps happy.
Red John dragging on and on was getting a little monotonous so something had to give, but lots of people love the Red John thing. If ratings slide or it doesn't really work without him then they can always bring Red john back. This is the writers hedging their bets. Also it's been a long couple of series and getting to the time where they may have worried about the series getting cancelled so the ending was a neat wrap if it got canned and also something to continue with if there was a series 4(confirmed?).
Far too many of you are overthinking & overplotting the finale.
Of course Bradley Whitford is Red John. Jane can't kill an innocent man, it goes against everything he's about. Jane committing cold blooded murder destroys the entire show. RJ had a gun, therefore it's self-defense. Look for the season opener to be a two parter & then they move on to:
What is missing is why so many others are/were willing to do his bidding.
Why would the hit woman willingly just jump to her death to avoid capture is truly bizarre.
The next stage is to delve into his hold on his "gang" & who they are & why they do it for him.
As for the locket being a listening device, way too ridiculous. You're getting into technology that just doesn't exist. If it were a transmitter, where's it getting it power to last long enough & send out a signal from who knows how far? Something that small can't transmit that far, just a few hundred feet.
No, it was just a way to further wreck Grace's ego &
It's "High-Velocity Lead Poisoning", not severe.
Note to LaoHao88, Red John is as dead as bin Ladin. Cause of Death (C.o.D.) in both cases "Severe lead poisoning"
Great ending. I prefer ending a TV season with a BANG rather than a cliffhanger. Does anyone know why Red John's devotees are willing to die for their leader? How many people are under his spell and to what end? As for GUPTA the gas station guy slipping out of handcuffs, anyone in law enforcement can confirm that link-style handcuffs can be defeated by prisoners who are extremely nimble and flexible. Note to OLGA, that's the difference between a police officer who is sworn to uphold the law and an annoying dilletant like Patrick Jane.
Kudo's to the best suspense drama series in modern history. The original NCIS runs a close second with the cancelled Medium a not too distant third.
Regarding the question why RJ knew to be at the mall - I think he just followed Jane, simple as that. Once O'Laughlin told him it was all a ruse to lure him out, he left it to O'Laughlin to kill off Hightower and followed Jane instead to see what happens. I don't think the bracelett was a listening device, if it were he would have been in on the plan earlier on. Also I don't think he planned to come actually face to face with Jane. It just happened and he tried to make the best of the situation. But I still believe that Kristina Frye is somehow connected to RJ - before watching the finale I actually believed it would be her turning out to be RJ somehow. I thought she was creepy.
Red John was shot, but did he die?
Although as viewers we know it was a cold-blooded killing by Jane, Red John was in possession of a gun with hollow-tip bullets when he was gunned down by surprise. So unless a witness was closely following the interaction of Jane and RJ, the security guards and the police are going to find the dead RJ with a gun on him -- allowing the self-defense plea for Jane. And although Jane knows he did it in cold blood and is unafraid of owning up to that, I am going to bet that Lisbon and the others try to convince him to let his lawyer plead self-defense to keep him out of prison and still working with his CBI "Family."
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