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Castle Round Table: "Probable Cause"

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Rick Castle as a murder suspect? The return of 3XK?

It's safe to say "Probable Cause" gave our TV Fanatic Round Table team of staff writers Carla Day, Chandel Charles, Jim Garner and - along with Castle fan Denise from The 12th Fan Forum - PLENTY to discuss.

So let's get right to it, shall we? Pull up a virtual chair and jump in now!

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What was your favorite scene?
Carla: When Beckett walked into the library and Castle was waiting there for her. Also, liked the bridge scene when Castle said it wasn't over.

Chandel: I think it had to be the scene where Castle dropped that hint to Kate about the library. I loved that she retrospectively caught that Castle was trying to lead her to him once he had gone underground.

Jim: I adored the scene where Rick explained Tyson was behind the mess and Kate said she believed him and that she had always believed him. I know she had doubts at one point but down deep she never stopped believing.

Denise: A tie between the scene at the precinct after Tyson’s visit when Kate tells Castle she never stopped believing in him, and when she meets him at the library. I loved that she reassured him of her faith in him, and I thought it was a really tender, sweet moment at the library. I adored Castle’s smile when he saw her coming toward him.

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Did you ever think Kate would doubt Castle?
Carla: I think she did have her doubts, but that she didn't believe them. She's a police officer and with that much evidence against Castle, she had to consider that he did it. All the time though, she was looking for an alternative explanation.

Chandel: I think she's always going to want to believe Castle, and I also think after all this time she knows trusting him is always a safe bet.

Jim: Tyson did a good job planting the evidence to make her start to have doubts, but you could tell even as she spoke to Lanie that she still believed in him. It would have taken a lot more than deleted emails for her to truly doubt him.

Denise: No. Like she told Lanie, she knows him. She would never believe that he could do something like this, no matter what the evidence showed. She was trying to figure out what the real story was from the moment the first piece of evidence against him appeared.

We're you surprised that Lanie questioned Castle's innocence?
Carla: No, the evidence was there. She was doing her job.

Chandel: It was a little bit surprising, but given the evidence that so quickly mounted against Castle, it's hard to fault her for it.

Jim: Lanie has always been a woman of science. I wasn't surprised she was playing devil's advocate for Kate and coming from the angle that Rick was guilty. I'm not sure she personally believed it, but it's her job to presume the worst.

Denise: I didn’t really feel that Lanie was questioning Castle’s innocence as much as she was playing devil’s advocate for Kate. I think she was trying to make Kate really look at things and be certain of her conviction that he was being set up. Ultimately, I think that Kate’s belief in Castle’s innocence would be enough for Lanie to believe it as well.

Did you figure out it was 3XK before the big reveal?
Carla: To be honest, I'm not sure. I don't think I realized it was him in particular.

Chandel: I had an inkling for about 30 seconds during one of the commercial breaks where 3XK popped into my mind for reasons unknown to my subconscious. So, yes, I was surprised to see that I was right.

Jim: I had no idea. In fact, I had forgotten who 3XK was until he talked about leaving Castle alive in a hotel room. Thankfully that was a great memory jog!

Denise: There was a lot of speculation that 3XK was behind this in the weeks before the episode aired. I was somewhat skeptical that it involved him, as I thought that if 3XK was involved, then somehow Castle spoilers or something would have gotten out. When I saw Michael Mosley’s name in the opening credits, I knew then that it was him. Kudos to the cast and crew for keeping the lid on this one.

Is Castle right? Is Tyson still out there and will he be back?
Carla: Definitely. He is a smart man, I believe he could have and probably did plan for the outcome.

Chandel: I think Tyson is still out there. I think all good character arcs take place in sets of three. If true, he has at least one more episode. If not, props to Marlowe and company for presenting a psychological cliffhanger.

Jim: I think he is still out there. If he turns back up, it's specifically to torment Rick and Kate. Rick shot him in the chest where the vest was. Most TV/movie villains can survive a fall into water unless a body is found.

Denise: Yes, I do think Castle is right. Tyson is still out there, and at some point he will be back.

Which have been your favorite and least favorite episodes this season?
Jim: I have no "least." I have a tie for first: "Secret's Safe With Me" for Rick's heart to heart with Alexis; and "Murder He Wrote" for the nod to the original crime writer turned detective show Murder She Wrote.

Chandel: I think my least favorite was "Cloudy with a Chance of Murder." Something about that episode just didn't sit well with me. I'm going to have to put this episode at the top. It had all the elements of a great dramatic episode, which I think contributes to variety in the series as a whole.

Carla: I loved the premiere. It got Beckett and Castle together, but more importantly Beckett got to face off with the person responsible for her mother's death.

Denise: "Probable Cause" is definitely my favorite at this point. I can’t say that I have a least favorite; I have thoroughly enjoyed every episode so far. I am loving this season and the way their relationship is being portrayed.

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@The Watcher - Thank you! Intentional - ALWAYS ! :)

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I am sure 3XK will be back. There was much fan speculation about Castle and Beckett both shooting him in the chest. Why not a head shot? That is I think a set up for the final episode of the arc. Castle or Beckett probably...one shot to the head. We have learned or should have that the subtle clues in Castle always come back in a future episode.

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Love this epi! Even though you know nothing truly bad will happen to Castle, it still kept me a little on edge, wondering who would do this to him and why... As others here, I loved the library scene, but I also loved the scene with Lanie - it led me to think that Kate was upset about the "affair" that Castle was having, but turned out she was just scared and worried about the man she loves. She's a very pro-active kind of woman, and not knowing what to do to make it right and prove his innocence was taking a toll... Also - @Ali Sr. - "We need SERENITY from our ruggedly handsome writer RICHARD CASTLE" - LOL!!! Was that an intentional nod, or just how that came out? Either way I loved it! :)

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I hate getting cut off... 5. Even with a vest on he'd have to be Superman to sustain that many shots, survive the fall & swim through those currents but this is TV so he'll definitely be back. 6. This may be my favorite season yet. I've enjoyed every episode. Secret's Safe With Me is my favorite for the most romantic hand shake ever. Cloudy With a Chance of Murder would rank least for the bikini clad tramp straddling Castle but I still can't say I didn't enjoy the episode.

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So sorry I missed being an official part of this week's round table but Hurricane Sandy took my power out just 20 minutes before Castle aired. She obviously wasn't a fan. But now that the power's back on, here are my answers... 1. The library scene. As soon as the 2nd guards showed up I knew that's where he was. Kate running into his arms was just perfect. 2. When she started telling Lanie about those e-mails I began to worry a little but thankfully her faith in him never wavered. On a side note, I wish we had witnessed the scene where she reads Castle those e-mails and we could have seen his reaction. 3. It did shock me a little when Lanie asked if Kate was sure but her job is also to look at the evidence so I guess I can forgive her for that. 4. I figured it out a couple of scenes before the big reveal. Still, it was a great way to bring him back this season. 5. Even with a vest on he'd have to be Superman to sustain that many shots, survive the fall & swim through those currents but this is TV so he'll definitely be back. 6. This may be my favorite season yet. I've enjoyed every episode. Secret's Safe With Me is my favorite for the most romantic hand shake ever. Cloudy With a Chance of Murder would rank least for the bikini clad tramp straddling Castle but I still can't say I didn't enjoy the episode.

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cont'd from below: I think he figured if anyone got in a head shot and killed him, he at this point preferred to be dead vs. not able to kill as he wanted to. It was an all or nothing gambit and I'm also sure given the supreme self confidence most serial killers have in their own superiority over everyone else, he was sure no one would get in a headshot. So, in the end it worked out for him.

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@Sue Ann
You're right that it seems to be way too over the top in terms of Tyson planning the bridge event. It bothered me a bit, but I've come to some resolution by considering how much Tyson wanted to fake his death and how much planning and preparation everything goes into his moves. First, there is no way he would know Castle would escape custody, so I'll bet he was prepared to kill him in the Tombs like he told him he would. But he had a back up plan knowing Castle does have friends in high places and the resources that few of us do have. He knew there was a possibility he wouldn't be transferred there. If Rick had been killed there, no one would be the wiser to 3XKs involvement. If, as happened, Rick escaped that trap, Tyson set up contingency plans that would help him to his goal of "dying" and being able to start over. I'm certain he had on a vest. I think he figured if anyone got in a head shot and killed him, he at this point preferred to be dead vs. not able to kill as he wanted to. It was an all or nothing gambit and I'm also sure given the supreme self confidence most serial killers have in their own superiority over everyone else, he was sure no one would get in a headshot. So, in the end it worked out for him.

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1 - My favorite scene was definitely the reunion in the library. Their mutual smiles spoke so loudly of how connected they are to each other's thought processes. 2 - I don't think Kate ever believed Castle was guilty but I do think she had moments of confusion. While her mind was processing the evidence, her heart was searching for a logical explanation of the setup. 3 - I think Lanie was just helping Kate see things more clearly and that she did not believe that Castle was capable of doing such a thing. 4 - Because I read all of the spoiler talk ahead of time, I knew that 3XK was a distinct possibility but didn't know for sure. They did a wonderful job of keeping that quiet. 5 - I believe Castle is right and that we'll see 3XK one more time, but the third time's the charm for them getting him! 6 - My favorite episode so far has been Secret's Safe With Me because it had so many touching scenes. My least favorite would be this one - not because it wasn't great - but just because I don't enjoy the tension so much and I won't watch it over and over again like I do the lighter episodes.

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this has to be the best episode so far.

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Loved the episode and that Beckett knew she had to acknowledge the evidence and a be professional, Castle would expect no less; Beckett's team, of course including Lanie, keeps her honest, focused and asks the right questions; that goodness their screaming, annoying captain didn't yell for once- she adds nothing to the show. I still don't get how with all the gun shots aimed right at the target, 3xk got away- was he wearing a bullet proof vest? were Castle and Beckett shooting with blanks- it seems to me that they would have questioned more how 3xk could have survived. That was pretty "hollywood", but now we know he will return.

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