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January 15th, 2013 8:38 PM
...that until s3 where his ripper side was revealed. So he pretended to be a good guy although he is not and never will be as long as he is a vampire. Stefan made a sacrifice for Damon in 2x22 but Damon became a vampire for Stefan because Stefan wanted him to. Stefan needed his brother and Damon went through the transition although he didn’t want it.
TVD is about a triangle so to me it was clear from the beginning that Elena would fall in love and have a relationship with both brothers. To fall in love with two brothers is morally wrong whether it’s real or fiction, but this is the main storyline of TVD and if viewers don’t like the story or have a problem with it because of their moral standards then they should stop watching it.
Watching TVD is a guilty pleasure for me and I don’t apply moral standards to it. It’s just entertainment and I defend Delena because I love them as a couple, but I’ve never said that what Elena, Damon or all of the other characters on TVD do i
January 15th, 2013 8:37 PM
@V That Stefan asked Caroline for help is definitely a step in the right direction. But I'm not sure how good Stefan is at keeping his dark side in check and I'm not sure if Caroline will be able to help him if he loses control again, so I'll wait and reserve judgement until I see more of this storyline. Like I said Stefan didn’t want Damon to leave in 4x03. In the next episode on Thursday Damon will not be in Mystic Falls. And after that episode we’ll see what will happen, how the sire bond will be broken, if Damon will leave or not. Damon returned to Mystic Falls because of Katherine, prior to that he kept his promise and stayed away from Stefan (as far as we know now, but there could be more flashbacks). I don't think he planned to stay in Mystic Falls for long, he wanted to free Katherine and go away with her.
Stefan like all vampires can’t be a good guy, because he is a mass murderer. Damon is too but he never hid that side of his personality from Elena, whereas Stefan did
January 15th, 2013 7:06 PM
Cont. For anything sire bond pls refer to @RedOktober's post and all plot holes arising from from sire bond blame Plec. Too exhausted to retype what has already been posted. Cheers.
January 15th, 2013 7:03 PM
Hmm so Elena was hurt Stefan left to save his brothers life so it makes it to to give in to his brothers advances right. To be honest it's reasoning like this that makes me really hate Damon+Elena pairing cos young minds know vampires,werewolf, all supernatural creatures + loving interractions with humans is fiction but emotions + character is real. When people think its ok to sleep with siblings and even advocate for a brother to have his turn having sex with his brothers ex just amazes me. There is no way true love has an incestuous like/slutty foundation. To even defend it bothers me tbh.
January 15th, 2013 6:50 PM
Cont. I wonder why Damon came back to mystic falls if he was 'honorable' enough to leave after Lexi's advice...d same Lexi he brutally killed to protect his identity.By the way, that flashback was completely out of character and a bid to make Damon more lovable even though that was a direct contraditicion of old Damon and new Damon. Plot hole anyone? Anyway I digress, I never said Damon never did anything honorable, he did as long as it was about Elena or connected to her in some way. Pls read my old post it's exhausting typing d same thing.
January 15th, 2013 6:38 PM
Cont. Agreeing to leave and leaving are two very diffrent things. With Damon there's always a reason not to do the right thing and even with Elena's transitioning he could have left town for Stefan and Caroline to manage Elena but as I said, when it comes to Elena all bets are off even brotherhood is flushed down the drain (Klaus 2.0). Pls how do u know Stefan is pretending to be the good guy? This is someone who gave his humanity up for his brothers life and even asked Damon to stay back after chasing his girl *smh* There are good guys u know :)
January 15th, 2013 6:19 PM
@Nelly Both of us agree that Joseph is an amazing actor and I went further to state I understand why you like Ian's acting (long suffering brother pinning for his brothers girl(s) etc) so not sure what you're saying. Damon's obsessive love for Elena has made him a better person as long as it is connected to her. Come on! How has Stefan remained constant and not changed? Didn't you call him the Ripper in one of your posts? If you say his love for Elena remained constant even when he was a ripper then that is different. For sure Stefan is a monster like everyone else and is aware of his weakness hence why he drinks out of a bag and asked Caroline to look out for him if he is slipping. If that isn't an acknowledgment of a problem I don't what is. He is a recovering Ripper just like a recovering addict and he doesn't hide it. A pity he can't rely on his brother to be there for him like Caroline.
January 15th, 2013 3:55 PM
I believe that it won't change anything, she will stay with Damon. But maybe your theory is right and I'm wrong, we'll see:)
January 15th, 2013 3:53 PM
Stefan abandoned Elena, even if he did it to save his brother(and by saving Damon, he saved the key to his humanity, so he wasn't only driven by the love for his brother), the fact remains that he abandoned her. Elena knows that he did it for the right reason, but it still hurt her.
Elena had more in common with Damon from the beginning. In 1x03 Damon said Elena should quit cheerleading because she didn't enjoy it anymore while Stefan wanted her to continue with it and back then she listened to Damon and quit. So there has always been a deep understanding between these two and it's not because of the sire bond. The sexual attraction between Damon and Elena was there from the beginning as well. There are countless scenes where Elena stares at Damon's lips, so when she turned, these feelings were intensified too. We all don't know how exactly the sire bond works, so we will see how Elena will feel after the sire bond is broken. I believe that it won't change anything, she will stay with
January 15th, 2013 3:52 PM
I disagree that Damon has never done anything honorable or selfless. He left Stefan in 1942, because Lexi told him that it was better for Stefan to be away from Damon. He turned Bonnie's mother, so that Stefan wouldn't feel guilty. He even talked to Elena in 4x06, he wanted her to talk to Stefan, he wanted them to reconcile. So if the sire bond is so strong, why didn't Elena listen to him then? Damon agreed to leave town in 3x22, but Elena's transition changed everything that's why he stayed and in 4x03 Stefan said that Damon should stop being dramatic and not leave town.
Yes, Damon went after his brother's girl, but he never said that he is perfect, he always made it perfectly clear, that he doesn't deserve Elena, that he is selfish, he said that to Elena in 4x08 again. Damon made a lot of mistakes, did things that were wrong but so did Stefan.
January 15th, 2013 3:52 PM
@V Like I said it's different for everyone who watches the show and I enjoy Ian's and Joseph's performance and it's okay if you don't understand that. The love for Elena changed Damon and IMO it made him a better character. But I don't see any developement with Stefan. He is a static character, he is still the same that he was in s1 and I guess that's the reason why I can't feel for him. He wants to be the hero in everyone's eyes, he pretends that he is better than Damon, but the fact is that he is a monster just like all the other vampires on the show.
January 15th, 2013 1:43 PM
cont...Finally Elena was only happy for about 2 episodes and that was cos she was projecting what Damon was feeling via the sire bond effect not because she is head over heels in love with him. I really believe when the sire bond is broken Elena will get her humanity back and see the error of her ways. Yes she will still have some love for Damon but the true love she had/has for Stefan will resurface and she will be ashamed of and hate her Damon like actions of pleasing herself while not caring about anyone else not even her brother. Plec needs to stop with this sappy Damon and give us the bad boy we love to hate especially with the spin off coming up which will take Klaus away. Ps I agree with all @RedOktober has stated as per Sire Bond and Stefan abandoning Elena. @Lou as long as it's constructive criticism then there's no harm done :)
January 15th, 2013 1:36 PM
cont...we all know you don't choose who you have feelings for BUT you can choose not to act on them till they eventually fizzle out. I mean, even if you are married you can still meet someone you're attracted to but you quash those feelings to remain faithful to your vows. Elena really tried to quash those feelings for Damon when Stefan turned to his Ripper form to save Damon's life but Damon repaid him by relentlessly going after his girl. Even when she finally chose Stefan Damon refused to leave town as was their agreement. Damon is anything but honorable and NEVER does anything good for anyone unless it is about or will have a domino effect on anything Elena. That is called unhealthy obsession. As I said, being bonded to Damon has turned Elena into a female Damon and allowed her to give in to her lust and feelings for Damon and even nurture them and not care about anyone as long as her wants are satisfied...
January 15th, 2013 1:29 PM
cont...I agree with you that Joseph is an amazing actor but as much as Ian comes across as a great guy via his twitter his acting is honestly one dimension IMO. The only person I feel Ian is a better actor than is the dude that acts Matt. Seriously Paul as the ripper was amazing and all his scenes with Joseph where he is not forced to look constipated over Elena is delicious. As for Stefan not loving the vampire Elena or Katherine how can he when both she and Katherine are female Damons? Being the honorable person he is he is doing his best to fulfill Elena' wishes before she looses all her humanity and what makes her uniquely her and not an extension of Damon. The sire bond makes absolute sense in that it gives Delena's what they have been craving for while leaving room for her to run back to Stefan (and he forgiving her) when her behavior is shown to truly be driven by the bond.
January 15th, 2013 1:20 PM
@Nelly I understand how Ian can touch you with his acting cos he is the brother pinning for love (albeit with his brothers girlfriends) and you feel it's his turn to be with his brothers ex but don't you think that you're being quite biased when you say Stefan can only get better storylines only if he moves on from Elena when Ian has been stuck on Elena from the get go but still managed to get most of the best lines in TVD? Granted I really want Stefan to walk away from Elena cos IMO the beauty of the love they share and what separated her from being another Katherine has been destroyed by her humping Damon. I love Damon's character and don't understand why anyone would want him to turn into Stefan 2.0 ie mooning over Elena who will still struggle with her feelings for Stefan from all indications. Damon needs to go back to being the handsome bad guy we love to hate' a Klaus 2.0 in a way...
Rank: Regular Character
January 15th, 2013 12:58 PM
(still cannot believe they made her say that at the lake house no less). However this idea that the sire bond is rare now has to be debunked especially when it comes to vampires and especially when it comes to Damon. We have met a total of 2 females that he has sired and so far he has a 100% sire bond rate. That doesn't sound rare to me, therefore by deduction, this so called bond between the two cannot be rare either because Damon has "spread his special love" to at least one other woman. If anything, Damon's blood is the rare thing and not the bond between Delena. Not saying that they don't love each other, but the idea that that love is somehow "more special" that Stelena love is just a shipper's wet dream. The facts do not support such claims.
Rank: Regular Character
January 15th, 2013 12:57 PM
so all she's doing is acting in a more determined way about the decisions she's making(whether those actions are her minds doing alone is what is up for question)...just like another character we know . Hint hint, his name ends with Salvatore. Even her closest friends have seen the changes in her. We cannot deny the fact that at least some of her actions are based on the bond. Would she have ever turned a complete 180 in her decision to jump into his bed just mere days after re confessing her love for Stefan if she wasn't sired? Perfect counter example: when Caroline turned she was in love with Matt and all it did was make her more hot and horny for him. She was not sired to anyone. Now we have Elena, sired to Damon and suddenly can't keep her hands and mind off a guy who is not her man. Fair enough, she's always wanted him deep down. Point is, sire bond is a lot more important than more fans are giving it credit for. A fair choice cannot be made until it is broken and her memories of
Rank: Regular Character
January 15th, 2013 12:54 PM
Why do Delena fans always run back to the excuse that Stefan "abandoned Elena" for their theories..... Is it amnesia or just a shade of Delena tinted glasses that you people are looking at the world through? Please tell me what choice Stefan had to make at the end of season 2 or don't you guys remember anything pass your "deathroom kiss". And as for this theory that she's suddenly grown balls and stands up for herself more.....when has she EVER backed down from anyone with her stupid ass plans and ideas. If anything Stefan has been the fool for his continued faith in her free will and Damon's the one whose always telling her that she's wrong and running a counter plan behind everyone's backs. Not that he's wrong (he's right 80% of the time) but he has never been an advocate of the "Elena Gilbert brilliant deduction team". So please stop saying that being with him makes her stand up for herself more....the sire bond affects actions not feelings according to Tyler subconsciously or not,
January 15th, 2013 10:59 AM
why does everyone think Elena stopped loving Stefan and fell in love with Damon because of the sire bond...Did Tyler stop loving Caroline after he was sired?...because if it was that easy Klaus would have made it happen.
January 15th, 2013 9:26 AM
Sorry, my post got cut off. As for the sire bond: I don’t like the storyline, because it’s a cheap twist to keep DE apart. But I prefer a sire bond standing between DE than Stefan standing between them. A sire bond is very rare, so there must be a reason why Elena is sired to Damon and it’s not just because of Damon’s blood. Nandi said that a human only bonds to her sire if that person had really strong feelings before she turned. So my theory is that Elena had fallen out of love with Stefan in season 3. He abandoned her, he showed her what he is capable of and he showed her „ripper Stefan“ the side of him that he kept hidden from her. In this time Damon was there from her and this understanding, connection and friendship grew into love. Tyler said that the sire bond doesn’t affect feelings, so Elena’s feelings for Damon are real.
January 15th, 2013 9:21 AM
...whose performance on TVD you like best as long as you’re not insulting anyone.
January 15th, 2013 9:20 AM
I've never seen Elena this happy not even in s1 and it isn't because of the sire bond, it's because both Damon and Elena are head over heels in love with each other. By the end of the season the sire bond will be broken and I’m convinced that Elena will continue to be in love with Damon. But we'll see, maybe I’m wrong. The good thing about the sire bond is that Elena will explore her feelings for Damon and the depth of these feelings and I’m looking forward to that. Apart from that the sire bond gives the writers the opportunity to develop Damon’s character and to show that he’s changed and that he really loves Elena. In prior seasons Damon compelled women and took advantage of them, which was wrong. But with Elena he won’t do that and this will prove how much he loves her.
@Lou I agree with you that the fans of the show should not attack the actors if they don’t like a storyline on TVD. Still I think it’s okay to voice your opinion on who you like as an actor, or whos
January 15th, 2013 9:20 AM
...you don’t take a risk, you choose what you know and that was Stefan. But everything changed when Elena turned because all those feelings she had for Damon, that were consuming her when she was human, and which she tried to suppress were magnified and thus it was impossible for her to fight them anymore. As for Stefan, his feelings for Elena have changed too. He couldn’t love Katherine and he can’t love Elena as a vampire. He wants the human girl back that he feel in love with, he wants to rekindle the SE relationship from s1, but that will not happen as long as Elena is a vampire. That’s the main reason why he so desperately wants to find the cure (which I guess will turn out to be a trap).
As for the sire bond: I don’t like the storyline, because it’s a cheap twist to keep DE apart. But I prefer a sire bond standing between DE than Stefan standing between them. A sire bond is very rare, so there must be a reason why Elena is sired to Damon and it’s not just because
January 15th, 2013 9:18 AM
@V I agree with you that Paul should get better storylines on TVD. But that won’t happen if the writers don’t allow Stefan’s character to change and to move on from Elena (even if it’s just for some time).
IMO Ian and Joseph are the best actors on TVD, because they both can touch me with their performances, I really feel for them, but Paul can’t most of the time. Paul is like I said a good actor, but for me personally he is not as good as Ian or Joseph. But that’s of course just my opinion and it’s different for every TVDviewer.
I’ve seen great chemistry between Nina as Katherine and Paul, so like I said I don’t think that Nina has this outstanding chemistry with Ian, just because they are dating.
Of course Elena has still feelings for Stefan because this show is about a triangle and the triangle will end in the series finale, so until then she will have feelings for both brothers. Elena made her choice in 3x22, she chose Stefan, the safe option. In times of crisis
Rank: Regular Character
January 15th, 2013 4:31 AM
Lets see how she reacts to all her so called professions of love when the sire bond is broken. If at the end she still wants to be with Damon then fine but i think most of us have our doubts about that. If not for this bond she would not be saying and doing half the shit she's doing now. Most Delena fans (who don't have their heads so far up Damon's ass that they can't even rotate their neck's) would agree that this bond is working WAYYYYY too much in Delena's favour. If you guys aren't worried about when the odds will start to even back out then you should be because like it or not.....this is not "Elena" in her true self talking and acting right now. Sure she loves Damon, everyone knows that but the question you must ask yourselves TRUTHFULLY is whether she HONESTLY (no sirebond bullshit) loves him more than she loves Stefan. Cause I think we all know the answer to that one. Sucks to be you guys but being delusional can only take your reasoning so far.....