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Castle Round Table: "The Greater Good"

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It was a case where a misguided attempt to find "The Greater Good" led to someone getting shot in the chest.

But Castle Season 6 Episode 19 had enough twists and turns to be worthy of a roller coaster ride that would even keep Castle happy.

Our TV Fanatics Chandel Charles, Robin Harry, Jim Garner, and Christine Orlando are joined below by Dave from the Castle Fan Forum the 12th to debate why Gates confided in Kate, who should be Castle's best man and who they thought was the killer

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Who should Castle pick as his best man?

Chandel: He should either allow both Ryan and Espo the honor, or pick someone else and possibly outside the precinct altogether.

Robin: I'd love to meet Castle's friends outside the precinct - surely he must have them! If it had to be one of the detectives though, I'd go with Ryan. Castle and Ryan have a good bond, Ryan was the first to clue in on their relationship and he kept their secret without even being asked to.

Jim: His dad! Wouldn't that be a wedding shocker?

Dave:  I think it has to be co-best men with both Ryan and Esposito. They have both been such good friends to Castle it wouldn't seem right to pick one over the other.

Christine: Like Robin, I've always felt that Ryan and Castle have the closer bond. They're both romantics at heart and now they're both fathers. If he has to choose, I'd say Ryan but he's got to come up with something that doesn't make Esposito feel left out…although I have no idea what that would be. 

What did you think of Gates sister and their rift?

Chandel: I think it's representative of all siblings, but theirs is clearly ideological for the most part about black-and-white versus gray area in the law. It's mendable if each can realize and respect those differences. 

Robin:  I thought that it was a good story, if a little too neatly wrapped up at the end. It makes total sense that the job would get between two ambitious siblings with different perspectives.

Jim: I loved Salli Richardson-Whitfield on Eureka, so it was nice to see her working. I thought they did a great job of the rift between them, along with mending it.  

Dave: It made sense and was very consistent with what we have seen with Gate's character. She and her sister have very different mindsets when it comes to their jobs and a professional disagreement can become very personal very easily. I am glad it all worked out in the end.

Christine: Often, no one will judge you as harshly as one of your siblings. Their rift made complete sense as they both believed their point of view was right. I really enjoyed learning more about Gates and hope we get more of her family in the future.

Murder and Family
A murder investigation ends up involving Capt. Gates family on Castle. "The Greater Good" is the 19th episode of the show's sixth season.

Gates opened up about her sister to Beckett? Why do you think that is?

Chandel: The situation was right there for Kate and Castle to navigate in the midst of the case. A little insight never hurt anyone! I also think that she and Kate share similar views about law that Gates and her sister don't. They aren't rule benders, but sometimes attorneys can be.

Robin: I think Gates needed to talk about it, and Beckett showed the concern and care that she needed.  I mean - Gates never hangs out in the break room. She needed the company, and Beckett was there to provide.

Jim: Gates has been trusting Kate more and more since she came on board; this is just a natural extension of that trust. 

Dave: I think she has always seen some of herself in Kate and that showed even more in this episode. Gates chose to do her job the right way and not comprise her values for "the greater good" and that is what Kate has done many times as well.

Christine: I agree with Dave. I think Gates sees a bit of herself in Kate going as far back as Gates first appearance, Castle Season 4 Episode 1 "Rise" where she mentioned that Kate beat her out as the youngest female detective by six weeks. I think she feels a bond with Beckett and they definitely share a determination to find the truth and uphold the law. 

There were several suspects in this murder case. Who did you think was guilty?

Chandel: I was rooting for Berman because he was such an arrogant jerk. But I have to say I appreciated the Peter Cordero twist for what it was!

Robin: My bet was on the sister, just because we had met her before and I thought they'd do one of those surprise-you-met-the-killer-already twists.  This is the first time in a while that the show has completely surprised me with the culprit. 

Jim: I nearly nailed it. I had all the details, except I picked the sister and not the assistant as the mastermind/murderer.

Dave:  I thought it was going to be someone we didn't see for most of the episode who had ties to Berman, maybe his lawyer or another employee. I was surprised with the killer because normally it is never the person who appears on a photo or security footage right away.

Christine: I liked that culprit turned out to be the picture of the woman we'd seen right from the beginning but had completely dismissed. I also liked how nothing was exactly what it seemed. The victim was so complicated that he even had another name and the gang banger turned out to be a friend whose alibi was that he was visiting his mother in a nursing home during the murder. 

What was your favorite scene from this Castle Season 6 episode?

Chandel: Probably the opening scene with Castle and Beckett deciding who to invite when we find out that Kate's Aunt Theresa may not be Rick's greatest fan! The roller coaster bit was also good. I chuckled.

Robin: I liked seeing Gates open up to Beckett. We got to see a softer, more vulnerable side of Victoria "Iron" Gates, and I appreciated that a lot.

Jim: I loved when Kate and Rick both did their list of "must attend" and it was just the word "you" on both of their pages. Soooo adorable! 

Dave: The scene in the middle of the episode with the invitation banter. It had some great Caskett back and forth and set the stage nicely for the ending. Also honorable mention to Esposito's line about going at it with Gate's sister, I laughed out loud at that.

Christine: My favorite was the scene in the middle where they are trying to cut down their lists and they think they've found their savior in Martha... who ends up having her own lengthy list. Yup, that's how weddings go. They can get out of control quickly. Runner-up moment to Ryan who when asked how he and Jenny kept their list to 100, added a bit of reality by confessing that it was all they could afford. 

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Why would the bride have more guests than the groom? Are you thinking that Jim Beckett is paying for his daughter's wedding?
Even when that is the case, numbers tend to be pretty even. If the families move in the same circles, they might even overlap. Outside of dresses for the bride and bridesmaids (please Great Zaquon and all his littel fishes not THAT dress!), I suspect that Castle would pay most of the bills. Given his track record, he really needs a pre-nup.

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Why would the bride have more guests than the groom? Are you thinking that Jim Beckett is paying for his daughter's wedding?
Even when that is the case, numbers tend to be pretty even. If the families move in the same circles, they might even overlap. Outside of dresses for the bride and bridesmaids (please Great Zaquon and all his littel fishes not THAT dress!), I suspect that Castle would pay most of the bills. Given his track record, he really needs a pre-nup.

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While as every week the murderer showed up in Minute 12, having her also appear on camera earlier was a fooler.
I don't understand why people are amazed at the length of the guest lists.
They are not kids straight out of school. Both are pushing 40, from different sides.
Castle is a very social person, who has a guy for everything. Between writer friends and publishing colleagues, golf and other hobbies (does he play laser tag with Barney Stinson, I wonder), plus school and university friends, it is no surprise that he puts together a list of 400 names.
And Beckett keeps up with school and university friends, plus work friends and colleagues, and of course family.
She has at least one aunt, and we don't know that Martha was an only child.
Then they both have serveral exes. Perhaps not those, though.
And add in the 'plus ones'.
Going over 500 guests would not be unusual. We hit 200 at our 25th anniversary although DH is kinda reclusive and our families live far away.

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@ femmefan1946

The two families ( read Mothers) tend to agree on the cost where the Bride's father usually takes on most of the cost at least in Australia.
Once you know the limit of your costs then you know how many people you can invite. you do not invite people you are acquainted with. you invite some relatives and CLOSE friends. This is Castle's THIRD wedding so it would be etiquette to let Beckett to have most of the guests. It is her FIRST ( and ONLY) wedding.
Finally thus far what Caskett have talked about re the wedding has been completely out of character for both of them.

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@ femmefan1946

you simply do not invite every tom ,dick and harry to your wedding. Particularly if this is your THIRD wedding. The Bride should always have more guests. given that her mother is dead I find it strange she could have gotten to 100. More strange also is that Beckett has never liked such large numbers of people. Another example of very poor writing to my mind.

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@ nottrampis

You appear to live in a very strange world where if it is not done the way you see it it is wrong, ridiculous or "very poor writing." First, it may be Castle's third wedding but it is Beckett's first, her "one and done," and to blow it off because it is not Castle's first would be absurd [and poor scripting]. Next, who made a rule that the Bride "should ALWAYS have more guests?" Does that really apply when a NY detective marries a world famous author and celebrity? Through 6 seasons we have seen just a sampling of the big-wigs Castle rubs shoulders with on a casual basis--does your "tom, dick, and harry" comment include a Joe (as in Torre)? for example--compare this to those Beckett has fostered. No, one size does not fit all. "Given that [Kate's] mother is dead I find it strange she could have gotten to 100." What does that mean? She is a decorated cop in a large precinct in the largest metro area in America, who has recently been a part of a Fed Task Force in DC! Just by inviting fellow workers at the 12th (not just the series stars) and some of her former colleagues from DC, and their "plus ones" she would be lucky to keep it under 100. This appears to be just another example of poor thinking by your mind.

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@ Heathcliff

with respect you do not seem to understand what i have said just by your examples and your comment. When you get married I hope it becomes clearer. Her mother will make it very clear to you believe me!

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While as every week the murderer showed up in Minute 12, having her also appear on camera earlier was a fooler.
I don't understand why people are amazed at the length of the guest lists.
They are not kids straight out of school. Both are pushing 40, from different sides.
Castle is a very social person, who has a guy for everything. Between writer friends and publishing colleagues, golf and other hobbies (does he play laser tag with Barney Stinson, I wonder), plus school and university friends, it is no surprise that he puts together a list of 400 names.
And Beckett keeps up with school and university friends, plus work friends and colleagues, and of course family.
She has at least one aunt, and we don't know that Martha was an only child.
Then they both have serveral exes. Perhaps not those, though.
And add in the 'plus ones'.
Going over 500 guests would not be unusual. We hit 200 at our 25th anniversary although DH is kinda reclusive and our families live far away.

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Although as every week the killer showed up around Minute 12, we were fooled by her also being on screen earlier.
Why is it strange that they have over 500 people on their guest list? Famous or not, Castle is a very social animal, who has a guy for everything. And he would have spent a lot of time on book tours. Besides his writer friends, his agency and publisher, his school and university friends, and possibly some family we have never met (was Martha an only child?) a successful man in his 40s would have a long list of friends and associates.
Same with Beckett, she has family beyond her father, high school buddies and university friends, friends and colleagues from work.
And then they both have a number of exes. Well, maybe not those.
Even without the burden of all of Ryan's relatives, but including the plus ones, it would be difficult for an older couple to cut down the list to only one hundred or so.

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Molly Quinn needs more scenes. The marriage won't last if Alexis and Beckett don't click and Alexis brings out the better aspects of the Castle character. On another note - When Castle was at home with his family we didn't see him drinking much. Now that he's with Beckett, wine is in every home scene. Why's that?

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Castle won't have to pick anyone for his best man. It seems they can't set a wedding date, or plan a honeymoon, or find a venue or even figure how many people to invite! My bet is they will take Martha's advice from"Deep Cover" episode. "In life there is no such thing as a perfect time for anything. Don't wait, just go down to city hall, right now, you love each other,stop talking about it, just do it!"
After they exchange their vows(I bet they will be beautiful) , invite a small gathering of close family and friends to the Old Haunt for a party. AMEN!

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@ karkar

great idea and so Castle!

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Favorite scenes were with Martha and the end scene with who absolutely had to be invited to the wedding. Great! Gates has a soft inner core that I love. She is growing closer and closer to her people in the precinct.

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My biggest problem is that Gates looks way older than her sister, This is maybe because Gates has an 'old' face but she defintely looks well over 60. Her sister , who is hot by the way , looks at least a decade younger. Therefore it didn't feel realistic.
Also one really has to ask why Gates still has a job in Police after the Farce of in the belly of the Beast. Indeed we really should ask why she ever got the job given her consistent level of incompetence which included kicking Castle to the kerb when she arrived without any intelligence on the homicide squad, It was hard to discern who the killer was. The title gave it away. The planning for the wedding is now getting to the silly stage. Beckett is a woman who does like like crowds or large numbers of people. She has a possible 100 people???
Castle has been married twice before and he has 400 people??
Sorry Marlowe you maybe that stupid abut Castle and Beckett are not.

Castle Season 6 Episode 19 Quotes

Maybe the invisible hand of the market killed Peter that would explain the lack of defensive wounds.

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Beckett: Castle I love you but I will not marry you on a ride or up in space or on slide.
Castle: I bet Dr. Seuss got married somewhere fun.

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