The Mentalist Round Table: "Grey Water"

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Wayne and Grace headed to Austin in The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 14 - but did fans get what they wanted when the old gang got back together?

TV Fanatics Robin Harry and Christine Orlando are joined for this edition of the Round Table by The Mentalist fan Donnamour1969 to decide who is targeting the CBI and why Jane wasn't on the case.

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Who do you think is targeting the former CBI?

Robin: My money's on Volker, just because he would have the kind of resources to make that happen. Haibach's not well-connected enough. But I'm still remembering that woman in the cemetery when Jane killed Red John, so I'm not writing off the Blake Association just yet.

Donnamour1969:  I think Richard Haibach is doing the dirty work, seeking vengeance after he promised to when he was tortured earlier in the season by Bob Kirkland. But I'm not so sure it is just him. Tommy Volker could very well be holding the strings.  I'm sure he'd like some vengeance of his own.

Christine: So many suspects. I like the idea of Tommy Volker just because he was such a great nemesis for Lisbon. I'd love to see her have to go head to head with him again with Jane as her backup. But there are so many ways they can go with this story that it could be almost anyone.

Should Jane have been pulled for the fracking case?

Robin: Realistically, yes - he wasn't helping the other case, so it made sense. However, Jane's nonchalance about the case seemed out of character - he did like LaRoche, and his only friends are being targeted. It seemed weird that he wasn't willing to do some leg work and question some of the suspects.

Donnamour1969:  This was my main gripe about the episode. The secondary case was pointless, and it seemed totally unlike Jane not to be more involved in the CBI murderer case, especially when it affected his friends. He really owes them for all the times they stuck by him with Red John. Plus, the case was boring.

Christine: Why wouldn't Jane be involved in the CBI case. He was intimately involved in taking down many of the suspects. If the FBI hired Patrick Jane for his unique insights then it seems to me that Jane should be on this case. Plus, as Donnamour1969 mentioned, the fracking case was seriously boring.

Were you surprised that Abbott backed Lisbon about Haibach?

Robin: Pleasantly surprised. Abbott does seem to always have his team's back, and he's constantly endearing himself to me. 

Donnamour1969: I admit to being a bit surprised, but I keep underestimating Abbot. I really want to dislike him and be resentful, but I keep surprising myself by liking him more and more.

Christine: I think Robin's on to something. Now that Jane and LIsbon are a part of his team, Abbott views them differently than he did when they were suspects. More and more he appears to value their worth as individuals and it's fun to watch. 

What did you think about having the old team back together?

Robin: Honestly, I found the reunion a tad disappointing. Jane was off on another case, Lisbon was working on her own, and I think the new FBI setting kinda throws off the chemistry. 

Donnamour1969:  It was wonderful - for the five minutes, we had it. I felt denied by that. And then we didn't even get to see them all getting together for a drink. These may be the waning days of the show and of Rigsby and Van Pelt's involvement in it. We deserved more.

Christine: I loved that Kimball Cho gave both Wayne and Grace hugs when they arrived but Jane felt so stand offish that it was kind of odd. He hasn't seen them in years. You'd think there'd be more of a warm welcome. And it was disappointing that we didn't get to see them actually work together for more than one conversation. 

What was your favorite scene from this Mentalist Season 6 episode?

Robin: I really enjoyed the execution of Jane's plan at the gas station, with the creepy "London Bridge" playing in the cars. I love that Abbott is willing to go along with Jane's schemes, and he seemed to be having fun with it.

Donnamour1969: The opening scene by far was the best. I knew something bad was coming, and the fact that the baby was involved made things even scarier. My heart was pounding. I wish the entire episode had been like that.

Christine: Definitely the opening scene. Wayne desperately holding on to his baby daughter while trying to protect her from the bullets flying through their home was pretty horrifying. I really felt his terror and was relieved when Grace came to the rescue. I only wish that Grace could have actually shot the guy. 

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.


WHAT IF- Abbot is the one behind all this? i mean, maybe abbot is from blake association. and after jane threatened him that he will disclose all the names from the list,he got cold feet.maybe thatswhy he accepted jane's offer so as to keep him calm and under his very own eyes and that jane remains busy and distracted with cases,while he can finish anyone and everyone who can possibly know those names from jane.i mean why else,a fbi officer will want him sooo desperately,even said yes to all his demands and tantrum?such a smooth offer to a "murderer" afterall,seems a bit too much.i mean,he didnt even knew jane's talent like why would he want jane soo desperately?and such a huge fbi officer getting estasic with a toy or granting jane's ludicrous demand(without a 2nd thought!even lisbon used to raise eyebrows to jane's ideas in old day.)why not abbot?he is getting way to smooth with jane,like spoiling him deliberately,so that he remains occupied...i maybe completely wrong.but this has been bugging me since day 1..


Bonaduz, Rationalgal, Entwife - those are really interesting observation and insight on the lack of an affectionate greeting towards Jane. When Cho rebuffed his hug when he returned, I just attributed that to Cho being Cho. With Rigsby and Van Pelt, however, perhaps there's more going on? I rewatched a lot of the series during the hiatus - Jane's always been a pretty affectionate person. He's always been quick to give a hug, the kisses on the cheek with Hightower, not to mention how he would always try to get them all something nice whenever he could. All of your thoughts and what we know about Jane make the chilly reunion even less sensible. Perhaps they're a bit resentful of him - his presence did turn their lives all upside down, and he got away with murder. I don't know.

@ Robin Harry

The latest sneak peek of 6x15 shows the three of them in the bar! They have a VERY interesting conversation. It's on eonline and the article with it is "Is Jane in Love With Lisbon." Worth a look! I'm not sure, but it looks like it starts at the end of 6.14, so I'm really glad they'll let us at least have a look at this reunion.

@ Entwife

Thanks for the info - but I'm gonna avoid watching it till the episode LOL! I like seeing those things happen in "real time" and in context - it makes the episode richer for me.
Sounds like we'll all have a lot to talk about next time, though! :)


bonaduz, it's interesting that Jane is shown not getting signs of affection from the CBI team. Come to think of it he never has. They have backed him up and gone out of their way to help him at times but the closeness has never been there. It's probably because Jane has always kept people at a distance in his search for RJ so as not to endanger them or distract him from his goal. It seemed unusual to me when Jane first met Cho at FBI. Jane walked up and started to hug Cho but drew back when Cho resisted. I don't remember Jane ever showing a physical sign of affection (other than hugging Lisbon or picking someone's pocket) and wondered if this was part of the "new" Jane. If it is, the show had better move this aspect along. Not many episodes left to show us what's "new" about Jane.

Angie lavoie

1. Haibach is probably executing the attacks but I don't know if he's got the brains to plan all this. Volker? He definitely makes a great villain!
2. I didn't like it, that Jane was paired with Fischer (again) to solve the fracking case. Should he have? Probably yes. Somebody had to help Fischer - she really does need help, doesn't she?? :-)
3. Abbott seems to like Lisbon. He was impressed with her in BH. So, no - I was not surprised he backed her up.
4. I feel the same as Entwife here. Jane looked subdued when the old team met again. He watched Cho, Lisbon and Rigspelt hugging but not even a handshake was offered to him. Did he want to reach out? Maybe not... Remember how Cho rejected him when he came back to the US and Jane wanted to hug him? I was so sad for him there and again in GW. Remember what he said in S1? "Who doesn't want love and affection?" Well, he definitely didn't get any in these scenes!
5. I have to go with the opening scene as my favorite. It had me at the edge of the couch! :-)


And don't forget: Visualize was closely involved with Red John. Stiles said he knew more about RJ than anyone. Because of that he was able to tell Jane where to find Kristina and to get Lorelei out of federal prison. Stiles made it clear when Jane invited him to his guest house meeting that he'd like nothing better than to be rid of RJ. That's because RJ had the evidence that Stiles had killed Farragut years earlier and evidently had finally turned it over to the FBI so they could arrest him. By bringing Stiles out of his safe haven he got Stiles killed, so Cooper is out for revenge. A good way to build up his power with Visualize.


My guess for who is behind the killing is Jason Cooper. He is out to get revenge for Stiles' death. He is after Jane, and the others are warm up killings (if you really want to hurt someone, kill the ones they love). Why 2 years? It took Jason a while to solidify his control over Visualize and he had to wait for Jane to show up again. He has all the resources he needs to arrange the killings. This is Visualize: the leader doesn't do this stuff himself, he has plenty of gullible zombies for that. Besides, Visualize was an important element in TM and this is a way to resolve that part of the story. If it were any of the others they would have killed the ones most involved in taking them down. Heibach would have gone after Lisbon full blast - she was the one always arresting him. Volker the same. The killer is working up to Jane, the primary target. (I'm expecting Rigssby and Van Pelt to go off into hiding somewhere with their baby as soon as Grace is found, never to be seen or heard from again). What will Jane do when the last ones still alive are Lisbon and Cho? We will see - very dramatically - if that is the series finale. If it's the season finale, it could be the cliffhanger of all cliffhangers.

@ rationalgal2

Your Visualize idea with Cooper would make a great cohesiveness in the story line. Completely plausible. I'd like to see it come to pass. I think Haibach would have gone after Lisbon and not Grace and her family, too. Somehow just can't feature him going ninja in VP's bedroom, or Rambo on Rigsby and a baby's ass. Sounds more like Visualize or Volker, but Volker wouldn't really target VP either, he'd go after Lisbon, too. I don't think Heller will kill off either of the Rigsbys. But I sure could be wrong. Especially if he wants to go with something gratuitous like killing off JJ. For what? So it could look like "art" to his cable buddies? I just can't get there. But it doesn't mean he won't!


Who is targeting the former CBI team? I really feel it will come down to Volker. Haibach may play a part in it, but I don't think he has the resources or mind to set up a complicated plan for revenge like this and carry it out. Should Jane have been pulled for the fracking case? I could make no sense of Jane not being avidly involved in the CBI case. It was jus weird. Why didn't he choose a suspect to follow up on? He obviously can't stand Fischer, and she seems oblivious to that fact. But he ended up working that weird case with her. We had to look at her for three quarters of the episode. And for what? Most unsatisfying. I can't see that he and Lisbon are even partners anymore and it distresses me. Surprised that Abbott backed Lisbon? Not really. It's clear that his respect for Lisbon has grown a lot. He's a lot smarter agent than Fischer. In the last episode, Black Helicopters, in the scene with Fischer whining in his office, he got to see the stark contrast of who was a real leader. And it was Lisbon. Having the old team back together? Were they? I couldn't tell. Except for the greeting scene, we never saw them together again. Less than a minute. Wouldn't even show us the guys having a drink together. Now what could that little gift for viewers possibly have hurt? Poor judgement or just cruelty in my opinion. Lisbon wouldn't go when she found out Jane was invited. Jane took note that Cho hugged Rigsby but wouldn't hug him when he tried when he first met him again in the FBI bldg. And the Rigsbys didn't even offer to shake hands with Jane, nor did he give them any more than a cursory greeting. I don't think the old CBI team was together at all. Favorite scene? Hard to pick from two, but the gas station sting was the one I enjoyed most. The scene with Lisbon in Abbott's office, having to apologize to Haibach and then finding out Abbott was backing her was pretty great.


is it sad the only good thing was the ending PS Fisher is hot though way hotter then Lisbon

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The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 14 Quotes

When you're FBI people tend to give you what you want.


Jane: I think we should trust our instincts.
Cho: You mean take a wild guess.