Supernatural Round Table: Can You Believe That Twist?

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A fight in the cage and a shocking twist ending?

Supernatural Season 11 Episode 10 was certainly an intense hour. It seems as if Lucifer is here to stay… at least for now.

And as usual, TV Fanatic staff writers Sean McKenna and Christine Laskodi and The Winchester Family Business’ Alice and Nightsky are excited to share their thoughts on “The Devil in the Details.”

So what are you waiting for? Join them as they break down the newest episode in the latest Supernatural Round Table!

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What was your favorite scene or quote?

Alice: Strangely, it was Castiel and the heavenly stats angel checking out the blast zone.  For one, the lighting and the way that scene was shot was gorgeous. Second, I loved Ambriel. She was so funny, brutally honest, non-judgmental but so damned upbeat about it! She was expendable, and it didn’t bother her. I was actually more sad about her death than Rowena. Yet she had a lot bigger impact than we think!

She played a big part in changing the whole course of the universe because of what she said to Castiel. By telling him that Sam and Dean were the heroes and his loss would be no big deal, that likely played a role in convincing him to say yes. Well, her and Amara’s cruel taunting, but that’s another story.

Christine: Scene-wise, Misha Collins doing his best impression of Mark Pellegrino's Lucifer, hands down. If this is any indication of what we're going to see from him for the rest of the season, I'm so excited. Quote wise, I chuckled at Dean asking Crowley where Sam is, Crowley replying not to worry about Sam, followed by Dean's, "I'm sorry, have you met me?"

Nightsky: Two quotes perfectly personified characters. The first was from Lucifer: “Snapping necks and cashing checks – it’s what I do.” What a great line! The second was when Crowley told Dean not to worry about Sam. Dean: “I’m sorry. Have you met me?” Perfect!

Sean: I really enjoyed the scenes with Mark Pellegrino. He really has made such a great and entertaining character with Lucifer. But that surprise ending with Lucifer in Castiel’s meat suit was a real shock. And Misha Collins did emulate Pellegrino so well, too. It made me excited that the Lucifer story isn’t over, and I’m invested to see what the heck is coming up next.

Were you surprised Sam still said no to Lucifer after the trip down memory lane?

Alice: Not at all. I was so damned proud of our Sammy. “I’m ready to die, and I’m ready to watch people I love die, but I’m not ready to be your bitch.”  Hell yeah!

After all the time he spent with Lucifer, Sam should know when he’s being manipulated. It goes to show he has learned from all this. I love that he wasn’t afraid this time and had the guts to stand up to Lucifer. He wasn’t going to let the Devil get the best of him or win.

After how traumatized he was in Supernatural Season 5, Supernatural Season 6 and Supernatural Season 7, and even earlier this season over the thought of going back to the cage, it was great to finally see. Character growth FTW! 

Christine: No, because as Alice said, Sam knew he was being manipulated. He had already experienced the gut punch of reality that it wasn't God sending him visions. I think that was all Sam needed to know to keep him completely on course. Sam's character growth has been outstanding this season. As far as I'm concerned, he's really been the hero of the entire season so far.

Nightsky: I have to admit that I held my breath waiting to hear Sam's answer, but "No" makes  much more sense than "Yes". A second possession would have negated all of Sam's maturity and character growth, plus the show would have had nowhere new to go. “Save Sam” and “Samifer” – been there, done that.

Sean: I think I would have been surprised he said “yes.” Granted the trip down memory lane was convincing, but it was great to hear Sam turn down Lucifer after all that. He’s definitely stayed the course even in the face of such adversity.

Is that the last we’ve seen of Rowena?

Alice: At first I thought yes, but let’s think this through. She may be a witch, but she’s still a human. Her soul has to go somewhere. Do you honestly believe that given all her wicked deeds she’d actually end up in Heaven? No!  She’s bound for a one way trip to the basement where ironically, her son is King.

Of course she won’t be able to practice witchcraft and all that, so they’ll bring her back when they need some comic relief for Crowley. You know, her in a tattered dress walking around in chains sort of thing. Maybe Mark Sheppard will get that, “Oh Crowley!” sitcom after all. Hmm, maybe I’ve thought it through a bit too much. 

Christine: I really want to say yes, because I've never been a HUGE fan of her (though I do love when she's ridiculous), but no, I think she'll be back in some way, shape, or form. You know, I'd watch the "Oh Crowley!" sitcom!

Nightsky: There is a small chance they consult with her on the Book of the Damned to re-cage Lucifer (she has an ax to grind with him now), but for the most part I believe her story has been told. Plan B might be consulting the hamster or reincarnating Olivette to read the Book of the Damned. She was the high priestess of the Grand Coven, and Teryl Rothery is an established actress. That might be fun for an episode or two!

Sean: I feel like the writers will find some way to bring her back, though I think her story is done. I was really hoping for more from her character since her introduction, but the campiness and family stuff with Crowley always felt more annoying than interesting.

What did you think of Castiel’s decision to let Lucifer in?

Alice: Oh Castiel. He’s so well meaning yet so misguided. He’s at the point Sam was back in Supernatural Season 5. He believes he’s expendable, the one that helps but isn’t the hero, so he should be the one to take on the burden. No big loss, right?  (No, not right Cas!)

I’m sure he was thinking after seeing Amara survive the smiting that she couldn’t be stopped and Sam defeated Lucifer, so he’s the lesser of two evils. There’s a chance to beat him. Of course, I’m still going through the logistics of one angel possessing another, but that’s for another discussion. 

Christine: It's an interesting choice for a character who has had very little to do all season. I'm sure that this is going to backfire on him, because it's Lucifer. He can't be trusted. He may be able to stop Amara, sure, but what happens after that? I think Cas made an emotional decision without considering the many layers of logistics that go along with it. It's better than Netflix and Chill Cas though, so I'll take it. Additionally, how can Lucifer use an angel as a vessel? Am I the only one a bit confused by that?

Nightsky: It was unexpected, to say the least. What left field did that come from? Had Castiel thought it through earlier? Had he measured his chances as an angel were at least as good as Sam's as a human to control Lucifer from within? Was it a rash choice based on desperation or a sudden feeling of worthlessness that was thrust upon him by some random statistics angel and the Darkness?

We know nothing about his mindset, motivation or plan so it was a sucker punch by the writers. Having said that, I think it's a brilliant plot direction and a wonderful chance for Misha to play a different character.

Sean: I’m still a bit confused on taking over the vessel rules, especially since it wasn’t Jimmy Novak that let Lucifer in. Beside that though, it was a shocking ending that I didn’t see coming. I’m glad the Lucifer storyline isn’t over, and I’m interested to see how it all plays out with Castiel letting him. Plus, I’m excited to see Misha’s performance as Lucifer for a bit. I hope it has a satisfying payoff when all is said and through.

Can Lucifer actually beat the Darkness? Will he?

Alice: I honestly can’t predict. Sam had a point, it took Lucifer, his three brothers (which two are dead), and God to defeat her. I see him actually taking sides with Amara and them destroying the earth together. Aunt and nephew rule the world. Except Lucifer doesn’t seem like the sharing type so he’ll eventually turn on her. Or vice versa. Yeah, God really needs to show up and smack both of them down.

Christine: I think he can, but that he may not want to. I feel similarly that there's probably a team up coming down the pipe, maybe some double crossing evil vs. evil action, and THAT'S when God will finally step in. I'm ever the optimist about seeing God this season.

Nightsky: To echo Sam, how can Lucifer do it alone when it took four archangels and God working together to do it the first time? I don't know, but I remember he told Sam "I've never lied to you.” I believe Lucifer truly knows how to defeat the Darkness and is motivated to do so.

He doesn't want another God ruling over him (power, ego) or destroying God's creation. I believe Cas will learn that knowledge and the brothers will use that knowledge in a grand plan, but I also believe they will expect and be ready for Lucifer's real agenda to keep himself out of the cage.

Sean: I really think it could go either way. Perhaps Lucifer will run rampant or team up with the Darkness for fun before a final double cross. Either way, the Darkness and Lucifer are two formidable enemies for Sam and Dean. Let’s hope they can pull out a win by the end.

Sean McKenna was a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. He retired in May of 2017. Follow him on Twitter.

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