Glee Review: Take This, Dina Lohan! Comments (Page 2)
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Gabi Jaguaribe Rank: Guest Star
February 7th, 2011 4:46 PM
my favorite Glee quote it's from this episode!
no complaints!
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
February 7th, 2011 4:33 PM
@Adam: As long as you write in and say I was correct when Karofsky comes out and everything ends in a nice message about embracing who you really are, then I very much welcome your point of view.
I'll do the same if I'm mistaken in how this plays out.
Are you really trying to argue, though, that the treatment of Kurt being bullied and Artie being slusheed is the same? Moreover, a well-written show actually draws/plans out storylines and character developments. It doesn't consider a pair of longing glances in the course of 45 minutes sufficient build-up to something as major as a former couple (one of half of whom is taken) kissing.
finchelbaby Rank: New User
February 7th, 2011 4:33 PM
I am so annoyed right now. Ive been rooting for Finn and rachael for forever and now that they just broke up he is going t start going for quin again. That just bugs me but rachel is still my favorite character, not really liking finn right now. Loved the puck and achel duet, so cute. I really liked the songs,i dnt know just the whole quin and fin thing turned me off to the episode. But whatever still lov the show. Cant wait for tuesday.
Adam
February 7th, 2011 4:02 PM
Last night's episode of Glee was amazing. On so many levels. I am really proud of the writers and am highly disappointed in the staff member: Matt, commenting in this thread. I'm guessing the American winter may be a bit too cold.
"and then a random, unexpected kiss - with no build-up between the characters" - Um, were we not watching the same show? There were multiple close-ups of both these characters exchanging lusting looks as well as compelling scenes between the two of them. Hmm.
"Are you invested in the ongoing Karofsky storyline?" - Yes I am. It's also totally NOT predictable that'll come out and apologize to Kurt etc. There are many things that may happen. If that was the case, in Glee fashion, it would of happen before the break, or definitely in last night's episode. In how delicate the writers are making Karofsky out to be, I think it'd be more predictable for him to kill himself or to be beaten into a coma by the football team (for him being 'gay'). On the note of bul
dibdab
February 7th, 2011 2:30 PM
Oh ya...why did Lea get rid of her fringe????!!!!It looked nice on her.
dibdab
February 7th, 2011 2:29 PM
I thought that glee was a huge disappointment.Come on!!The only good things were the songs,Britany's qoutes,Sue's rage and Lauren's enthusiasm for football.Other than that,it was a let down.Quinn and Finn....stupid.If Finn was to kiss someone it should've been rachel.Think about it..Finn forgives Quinn even after she cheated on him with Puck and had his baby,and yet he won't forgive Rachel who only went second base,and then told him almost afterwards...come on!!!
The episode was a huge fail to me, except for a few epic moments and lines from Brittany's mouth and Sue rage attack, but that's about it. The whole episode was a cliche, and I almost thought the team will actually lose (because it's glee, they're trying to be unexppected by making everyone lose, but that's even more cliche).
Bottom line - Hype for nothing.
xomeg I agree with most of your post except not liking the hockey team and their mullets. I'm a big hockey fan as is my boyfriend and we got a kick outta that part. So many things about this show are cliche (like Britney being such a dumb blonde, she's funnay as hell but some of the stuff she says is just way too stupid to be realistic) and it can be silly but I think it's fun. Obviously hockey players don't really have mullets anymore (except Kane from Chicago and Van Reimsdyk from Philly) but I still thought it was funny.
I agree with your points on why Finna and Quinn doesn't make sense and that even though they would hate it, the football team would cooperate with the Glee Club so that they could still play in there game. And thankfully they didn't get all cheesy and make everyone buddy buddy afterward. Bullying is definitely not solved that easily.
I loved Lauren playing football she was hysterical. And I liked Tina wanting to be more involved then just lieing down, I felt t
phil
February 7th, 2011 1:47 PM
I just got kicked out of the Fox community forum for some sharp comments about what the show has to do to get from a cute little exercise in escapism to the most important show in the history of television. Of course I'm angry, but this is the first entertainment tv show I've tried to follow in over 10 years and I feel personally responsible for its content.
The Sue Sylvester dilemma represents the condition of the writers at this point. Everyone is expecting them to outdo themselves with each new episode and they really don't have much left in their arsenal.
Everyone expected the show to be cancelled in the middle of season one, so it began to deteriorate with forced episodes like Madonna and Lady GaGa. Will had to get a divorce, but they didn't plan ahead to give him a proper bachelor life, for example.
Sue has done almost everything she can do on this show, and even though she won the Emmy, she is often a distraction to the plot.
The show is considered a comedy, but this was
xomeg15
February 7th, 2011 1:20 PM
Ughh Quinn and Finn is so crap. You can't just pull a relationship out of your ass. Come on. A couple nice things said and all of a sudden Quinn is on Team Finn again. Seriously. It's ridiculous, to have the build up of Sam and Quinn and then as soon as their 'together' together break them up. And I haven't watched the early season one episodes but i remember Quinn barley liking Finn let alone love him. I remember her being head over heals for Puck but going out with Finn because he wouldn't hurt her or she trusted him more or whatever. Now she loves him. Seriously.
And the hockey players with mullets was not funny or clever. It was just annoying. As a huge hockey fan the bit actually made me mad.
The music was great. Love the Puck/Rachel duet. I really hope those two get together. Those two, to me, have chemistry. The bad boy with the goody-goody classic love story. Like that Kurt, Blaine and Rachel, Mercedes all hang out. I liked that scene alot. It's nice to Kurt with the McK
Chaela
February 7th, 2011 12:24 PM
Oh I almost forgot. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THOSE GIRLS WOULD HAVE QUIT CHEERLEADING! They want to be popular and no speech would ever change their mind.
Chaela
February 7th, 2011 12:22 PM
I don't even think I can watch another episode of Glee this entire season.
I used to like Will but now he is an ANNOYING character! He preaches, preaches, preaches and it is so annoying. Overly acted too. His facial expressions would work very well in theater but on my television it is to much.
There is no way that the football team would go and join Glee club for the halftime show. Having Karovsky being gay is a cop out I believe as well. Not everyone on the show has to turn out gay. I am so sick of that story line. I am so sick of that everything is a political speech of what you know that the writers/creator stand for. If he joins Glee I will freak out!
Now Puck liking the other girl. NO WAY WOULD THAT HAPPEN!
Not Finn and Quinn again. What about Sam?!? AWFUL writing on that part as well.
What happened to the main characters from last year, who were supposed to go back to this season. Now it is all these new characters. Cool Britney had a Brittany episode, but I could act j
My favorite character since season 1 is Rachel. I like how someone else pointed out that she gets bullied. Everyone has said mean things to her and did things to her that she did not deserve. However, this is a show it isn't meant to be taken so seriously and I must say I will be very angry if Finn goes back to Quinn as another person said she had a baby with his best-friend!!!! Rachel only kissed Puck and she at least told him right after, she was honest... I mean Quinn again cheated, on Sam. I have a feeling She will just end up cheating on Finn again! There making her out to be such a cheater!
Meli
February 7th, 2011 11:34 AM
To be honest: so far, this season has dissapointed me because on many occasions, things happen out of the blue (and with no build-up) and totally out of character. I really hoped that this episode would be as good as season 1 episodes were.
I understand that many times they have to be unrealistic to make the story work or to make it fun, like Sue's outburst or the fact that is still football season. I also believe that Finn usually does, let's face it, stupid things and doesn't stop to think what his actions mean, which many times makes him a hypocrit but he's also a teenage boy.
I totally agree with Matt Richenthal in that they are only showing one aspect of the bullying, I mean, Rachel gets bullied VERY hard during both seasons and nobody does anything about it? They commonly insult her because of her race, her character, her appearence, etc. They are also bullying a boy in a WHEELCHAIR, and nobody does anything. Those things damage a person's mind, even if they are gay or not.
addict666 Rank: Recurring Character
February 7th, 2011 11:33 AM
I loved this episode, I thought it was a good fun time
Keith Vlasak Rank: Recurring Character
February 7th, 2011 11:04 AM
I think that once the producers/writers were told they were getting the after-the-Super-Bowl spot, they intentionally put together a football-centric episode. Now I see what everyone means about it being out-of-season, but watching it it was (for me) just Super Bowl then story about football.
I could be wrong about this, and only guessing by who everyone is sitting with and hugging at awards show, but isn't just about everyone involved in writing, producing, and starring in this show gay? I love the show and love theater and have run across all kinds of stories/articles/suggestions that a lot of theater people are gay, so I mean nothing by asking ... except, wouldn't that explain why the gay issues (with Kurt, with bullying) are so central, so important?
Kurt's character wasn't even in the show when it was pitched, so I don't think any of the gay issues were planned, but I do think bringing Kurt's character in gave them a soapbox for some things that are very important to the p
Hosta
February 7th, 2011 10:38 AM
Sue's outburst near the beginning is not only stupid but unbelievable. Would anyone in the school system really be able to keep their job after that? Music good as always but the most disagreeable, disappointing episode so far.
Kristin732 Rank: Extra
February 7th, 2011 10:35 AM
I do enjoy the Karofsky story line but I see what you are saying about it being a cop out. When we first realized he was gay I wasn't expecting it. The bullying is coming from the entire football team so I am sure many of them are just ignorant high school students who don't know how else to deal with someone who is "different". I think it's interesting that they chose to focus on a character who is actually doing it because he feels the same way and is ashamed/ scared of those feelings. But hopefully they will surprise us and it won't end up being as simple as him coming out, apologizing and having everyone then get along.
I am so dissaponited over this whole Finn and Quinn situation. I disagree though that there was no build up for it. Well I suppose there wasn't any build up until now but I thought this entire episode was filled with looks and suggestions that it would turn out that way. It is very hypocritical of Finn to forgive Quinn but not Rachael so I do hope they don't ge
Mario A Melendez
February 7th, 2011 10:03 AM
Having dated a football player in high school who wouldn't come out, it's heartbreaking for me to see how amazing Max Adler is at playing Karaofsky. His eyes tell his struggle and even though the show is a bit contrived, the lines are funny and the music is fun.
Anna
February 7th, 2011 9:59 AM
Quinn and Finn! Yay!! :)
SuperIdole
February 7th, 2011 9:49 AM
Ah this episode was awesome! I really really enjoyed it! Not to talk about the same issues as bullying which I agree with your comments here, Kurt is the victim. But I don't get why we always see the Warblers (which I mean: Blaine). I explain: I was not Kurt's biggest fan but at least he was someone. Why was it always a problem with Rachel for the solos whereas in the Warblers Kurt is totally disappearing. I get that's not the same type of school but and he must adapt himself to it and be part of a group but for me they are not a group: a glee club with only ONE guy who is singing ALL the songs. Ok we get it, Blaine is the star of the group but let Kurt (and why not the others) express themself!
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
February 7th, 2011 9:26 AM
@katiej: Another great point, and it goes back to what I said in my earlier comment here about my problem with the bullying storyline:
Kurt gets bullied and EVERYone takes notice, Karofsky gets suspended, etc. But Artie gets a slushie dumped on him in the middle of the hallway... and no one does or says a thing.
Heck, a teacher threw a shoe at New Directions during the Christmas episode. The only bullying the show reacts to, or looks down on, is when it happens to the gay student. That's seriously irritating, as bullying absolutely affects heterosexuals, too. If the show wants to tackle such a pressing issue, I'd wish it would do so in a broader, more realistic manner.
katiej
February 7th, 2011 9:17 AM
i don't know if it was just my school, but i feel like the bullying is getting way over the top. as if there are THAT many guys who as so crazy about it, and i find it really hard the school would tolerate what could only be classed as abuse. it's getting a bit insane.
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
February 7th, 2011 9:11 AM
@sdavis: When you have both girls and someone in a wheelchair suiting up for the football team, it might be tough to question the realism of anything on the show.
But you do make a very good point. It all goes back to how Glee isn't really concerned with any kind of logical storytelling. It starts with the message the show wants to send and builds each episode around that.
Will: There comes a moment in every performer's life that defines him or her, sometimes for the rest of their career. This is our moment. We've struggled. We...
Rank: Guest Star
February 7th, 2011 4:46 PM
my favorite Glee quote it's from this episode!
no complaints!
Rank: Staff Member
February 7th, 2011 4:33 PM
@Adam: As long as you write in and say I was correct when Karofsky comes out and everything ends in a nice message about embracing who you really are, then I very much welcome your point of view.
I'll do the same if I'm mistaken in how this plays out.
Are you really trying to argue, though, that the treatment of Kurt being bullied and Artie being slusheed is the same? Moreover, a well-written show actually draws/plans out storylines and character developments. It doesn't consider a pair of longing glances in the course of 45 minutes sufficient build-up to something as major as a former couple (one of half of whom is taken) kissing.
Rank: New User
February 7th, 2011 4:33 PM
I am so annoyed right now. Ive been rooting for Finn and rachael for forever and now that they just broke up he is going t start going for quin again. That just bugs me but rachel is still my favorite character, not really liking finn right now. Loved the puck and achel duet, so cute. I really liked the songs,i dnt know just the whole quin and fin thing turned me off to the episode. But whatever still lov the show. Cant wait for tuesday.
February 7th, 2011 4:02 PM
Last night's episode of Glee was amazing. On so many levels. I am really proud of the writers and am highly disappointed in the staff member: Matt, commenting in this thread. I'm guessing the American winter may be a bit too cold.
"and then a random, unexpected kiss - with no build-up between the characters" - Um, were we not watching the same show? There were multiple close-ups of both these characters exchanging lusting looks as well as compelling scenes between the two of them. Hmm.
"Are you invested in the ongoing Karofsky storyline?" - Yes I am. It's also totally NOT predictable that'll come out and apologize to Kurt etc. There are many things that may happen. If that was the case, in Glee fashion, it would of happen before the break, or definitely in last night's episode. In how delicate the writers are making Karofsky out to be, I think it'd be more predictable for him to kill himself or to be beaten into a coma by the football team (for him being 'gay'). On the note of bul
February 7th, 2011 2:30 PM
Oh ya...why did Lea get rid of her fringe????!!!!It looked nice on her.
February 7th, 2011 2:29 PM
I thought that glee was a huge disappointment.Come on!!The only good things were the songs,Britany's qoutes,Sue's rage and Lauren's enthusiasm for football.Other than that,it was a let down.Quinn and Finn....stupid.If Finn was to kiss someone it should've been rachel.Think about it..Finn forgives Quinn even after she cheated on him with Puck and had his baby,and yet he won't forgive Rachel who only went second base,and then told him almost afterwards...come on!!!
Rank: Leading Character
February 7th, 2011 2:19 PM
The episode was a huge fail to me, except for a few epic moments and lines from Brittany's mouth and Sue rage attack, but that's about it. The whole episode was a cliche, and I almost thought the team will actually lose (because it's glee, they're trying to be unexppected by making everyone lose, but that's even more cliche).
Bottom line - Hype for nothing.
Rank: Extra
February 7th, 2011 1:48 PM
xomeg I agree with most of your post except not liking the hockey team and their mullets. I'm a big hockey fan as is my boyfriend and we got a kick outta that part. So many things about this show are cliche (like Britney being such a dumb blonde, she's funnay as hell but some of the stuff she says is just way too stupid to be realistic) and it can be silly but I think it's fun. Obviously hockey players don't really have mullets anymore (except Kane from Chicago and Van Reimsdyk from Philly) but I still thought it was funny.
I agree with your points on why Finna and Quinn doesn't make sense and that even though they would hate it, the football team would cooperate with the Glee Club so that they could still play in there game. And thankfully they didn't get all cheesy and make everyone buddy buddy afterward. Bullying is definitely not solved that easily.
I loved Lauren playing football she was hysterical. And I liked Tina wanting to be more involved then just lieing down, I felt t
February 7th, 2011 1:47 PM
I just got kicked out of the Fox community forum for some sharp comments about what the show has to do to get from a cute little exercise in escapism to the most important show in the history of television. Of course I'm angry, but this is the first entertainment tv show I've tried to follow in over 10 years and I feel personally responsible for its content.
The Sue Sylvester dilemma represents the condition of the writers at this point. Everyone is expecting them to outdo themselves with each new episode and they really don't have much left in their arsenal.
Everyone expected the show to be cancelled in the middle of season one, so it began to deteriorate with forced episodes like Madonna and Lady GaGa. Will had to get a divorce, but they didn't plan ahead to give him a proper bachelor life, for example.
Sue has done almost everything she can do on this show, and even though she won the Emmy, she is often a distraction to the plot.
The show is considered a comedy, but this was
February 7th, 2011 1:20 PM
Ughh Quinn and Finn is so crap. You can't just pull a relationship out of your ass. Come on. A couple nice things said and all of a sudden Quinn is on Team Finn again. Seriously. It's ridiculous, to have the build up of Sam and Quinn and then as soon as their 'together' together break them up. And I haven't watched the early season one episodes but i remember Quinn barley liking Finn let alone love him. I remember her being head over heals for Puck but going out with Finn because he wouldn't hurt her or she trusted him more or whatever. Now she loves him. Seriously.
And the hockey players with mullets was not funny or clever. It was just annoying. As a huge hockey fan the bit actually made me mad.
The music was great. Love the Puck/Rachel duet. I really hope those two get together. Those two, to me, have chemistry. The bad boy with the goody-goody classic love story. Like that Kurt, Blaine and Rachel, Mercedes all hang out. I liked that scene alot. It's nice to Kurt with the McK
February 7th, 2011 12:24 PM
Oh I almost forgot. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THOSE GIRLS WOULD HAVE QUIT CHEERLEADING! They want to be popular and no speech would ever change their mind.
February 7th, 2011 12:22 PM
I don't even think I can watch another episode of Glee this entire season.
I used to like Will but now he is an ANNOYING character! He preaches, preaches, preaches and it is so annoying. Overly acted too. His facial expressions would work very well in theater but on my television it is to much.
There is no way that the football team would go and join Glee club for the halftime show. Having Karovsky being gay is a cop out I believe as well. Not everyone on the show has to turn out gay. I am so sick of that story line. I am so sick of that everything is a political speech of what you know that the writers/creator stand for. If he joins Glee I will freak out!
Now Puck liking the other girl. NO WAY WOULD THAT HAPPEN!
Not Finn and Quinn again. What about Sam?!? AWFUL writing on that part as well.
What happened to the main characters from last year, who were supposed to go back to this season. Now it is all these new characters. Cool Britney had a Brittany episode, but I could act j
Rank: Extra
February 7th, 2011 12:18 PM
I LOVED THIS EPISODE!! Yaay for Finn and Quinn!
February 7th, 2011 12:13 PM
My favorite character since season 1 is Rachel. I like how someone else pointed out that she gets bullied. Everyone has said mean things to her and did things to her that she did not deserve. However, this is a show it isn't meant to be taken so seriously and I must say I will be very angry if Finn goes back to Quinn as another person said she had a baby with his best-friend!!!! Rachel only kissed Puck and she at least told him right after, she was honest... I mean Quinn again cheated, on Sam. I have a feeling She will just end up cheating on Finn again! There making her out to be such a cheater!
February 7th, 2011 11:34 AM
To be honest: so far, this season has dissapointed me because on many occasions, things happen out of the blue (and with no build-up) and totally out of character. I really hoped that this episode would be as good as season 1 episodes were.
I understand that many times they have to be unrealistic to make the story work or to make it fun, like Sue's outburst or the fact that is still football season. I also believe that Finn usually does, let's face it, stupid things and doesn't stop to think what his actions mean, which many times makes him a hypocrit but he's also a teenage boy.
I totally agree with Matt Richenthal in that they are only showing one aspect of the bullying, I mean, Rachel gets bullied VERY hard during both seasons and nobody does anything about it? They commonly insult her because of her race, her character, her appearence, etc. They are also bullying a boy in a WHEELCHAIR, and nobody does anything. Those things damage a person's mind, even if they are gay or not.
Rank: Recurring Character
February 7th, 2011 11:33 AM
I loved this episode, I thought it was a good fun time
Rank: Recurring Character
February 7th, 2011 11:04 AM
I think that once the producers/writers were told they were getting the after-the-Super-Bowl spot, they intentionally put together a football-centric episode. Now I see what everyone means about it being out-of-season, but watching it it was (for me) just Super Bowl then story about football.
I could be wrong about this, and only guessing by who everyone is sitting with and hugging at awards show, but isn't just about everyone involved in writing, producing, and starring in this show gay? I love the show and love theater and have run across all kinds of stories/articles/suggestions that a lot of theater people are gay, so I mean nothing by asking ... except, wouldn't that explain why the gay issues (with Kurt, with bullying) are so central, so important?
Kurt's character wasn't even in the show when it was pitched, so I don't think any of the gay issues were planned, but I do think bringing Kurt's character in gave them a soapbox for some things that are very important to the p
February 7th, 2011 10:38 AM
Sue's outburst near the beginning is not only stupid but unbelievable. Would anyone in the school system really be able to keep their job after that? Music good as always but the most disagreeable, disappointing episode so far.
Rank: Extra
February 7th, 2011 10:35 AM
I do enjoy the Karofsky story line but I see what you are saying about it being a cop out. When we first realized he was gay I wasn't expecting it. The bullying is coming from the entire football team so I am sure many of them are just ignorant high school students who don't know how else to deal with someone who is "different". I think it's interesting that they chose to focus on a character who is actually doing it because he feels the same way and is ashamed/ scared of those feelings. But hopefully they will surprise us and it won't end up being as simple as him coming out, apologizing and having everyone then get along.
I am so dissaponited over this whole Finn and Quinn situation. I disagree though that there was no build up for it. Well I suppose there wasn't any build up until now but I thought this entire episode was filled with looks and suggestions that it would turn out that way. It is very hypocritical of Finn to forgive Quinn but not Rachael so I do hope they don't ge
February 7th, 2011 10:03 AM
Having dated a football player in high school who wouldn't come out, it's heartbreaking for me to see how amazing Max Adler is at playing Karaofsky. His eyes tell his struggle and even though the show is a bit contrived, the lines are funny and the music is fun.
February 7th, 2011 9:59 AM
Quinn and Finn! Yay!! :)
February 7th, 2011 9:49 AM
Ah this episode was awesome! I really really enjoyed it! Not to talk about the same issues as bullying which I agree with your comments here, Kurt is the victim. But I don't get why we always see the Warblers (which I mean: Blaine). I explain: I was not Kurt's biggest fan but at least he was someone. Why was it always a problem with Rachel for the solos whereas in the Warblers Kurt is totally disappearing. I get that's not the same type of school but and he must adapt himself to it and be part of a group but for me they are not a group: a glee club with only ONE guy who is singing ALL the songs. Ok we get it, Blaine is the star of the group but let Kurt (and why not the others) express themself!
Rank: Staff Member
February 7th, 2011 9:26 AM
@katiej: Another great point, and it goes back to what I said in my earlier comment here about my problem with the bullying storyline:
Kurt gets bullied and EVERYone takes notice, Karofsky gets suspended, etc. But Artie gets a slushie dumped on him in the middle of the hallway... and no one does or says a thing.
Heck, a teacher threw a shoe at New Directions during the Christmas episode. The only bullying the show reacts to, or looks down on, is when it happens to the gay student. That's seriously irritating, as bullying absolutely affects heterosexuals, too. If the show wants to tackle such a pressing issue, I'd wish it would do so in a broader, more realistic manner.
February 7th, 2011 9:17 AM
i don't know if it was just my school, but i feel like the bullying is getting way over the top. as if there are THAT many guys who as so crazy about it, and i find it really hard the school would tolerate what could only be classed as abuse. it's getting a bit insane.
Rank: Staff Member
February 7th, 2011 9:11 AM
@sdavis: When you have both girls and someone in a wheelchair suiting up for the football team, it might be tough to question the realism of anything on the show.
But you do make a very good point. It all goes back to how Glee isn't really concerned with any kind of logical storytelling. It starts with the message the show wants to send and builds each episode around that.