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August 2nd, 2012 4:31 PM
@Aycliffe
JLC was not an NCIS agent nor does she work for NCIS so the only rule gibbs broke which he say he always had trouble with is Rule # 10
August 2nd, 2012 4:01 PM
I've always had the feeling that Gibbs knows Tony & Ziva belong together and when he finds out officially he will say What took you so long?
I always felt his reason for trying to keep Tony & EJ apart was because he knew they weren't right for each other and didn't want to see Tony get hurt.
Rank: Extra
August 2nd, 2012 3:27 PM
@Michael
What is to stop Tony or Ziva suing NCIS and Gibbs from letting them date, has not Gibbs broke his own rule when he had a relationship with Dr. Ryan she was working with the team so really she was a member of the team.
August 2nd, 2012 2:34 PM
Rule #12 is a Gibbs Rule. It is NOT a Vance rule.....never has been.
August 2nd, 2012 2:19 PM
@michael you are a woman hater
August 2nd, 2012 11:36 AM
@Sam
Rule number 12 is not just gibbs rule but also Vance Rule and These is why so many people don't like woman in the work place because they do not follow the rules of the company and they bring their privte life into their worklife.
What Ziva,EJ and All woman need to understand is you can't change the rule when ever you want let say Ziva and Tony do date and then they break up Who to stop Ziva from suing NCIS and Gibbs for sexual harrsment and don't tell me it wont happen because it has I should know it happen to me.
August 2nd, 2012 8:37 AM
Secondly, as Tony noted to Gibbs in their discussion about it, EJ was not a member of Gibbs' team, and he did not see it interfering with his job. If it did, he seemed to imply that he would end it, not Gibbs. In short, his private life was his private life.
Gibbs has his opinion on work place romances, an opinion shaped by his own relationship with Jenny. That was his situation; all situations are unique and different. He can say he doesn't think they can work, he can express his opinion and he can say that members of his team can't date. And yes, maybe those members should respect that opnion and that rule, to a point. Gibbs also has to respect the fact that other team leaders may have a different view, and that in the end, NCIS' rules on the matter take precedent over his "Rule 12".
August 2nd, 2012 8:30 AM
Michael, first off, EJ was a team leader, just like him. He treated her not with the respect that the position merited, but like she was a member of his team, and very much a junior member at that. While I would agree with his assessment of her as both an agent and team leader, the fact remains that's what she was. She was his equal and he did not treat her as such. He was demanding that the relationship between her and Tony end; that simply wasn't the way to go about it. Again, I'm in her position, I tell Gibbs it's none of his business, that NCIS rules and regulations take precedent over his "Rule 12", but that it would be better to discuss it AFTER catching the P2PK.
August 2nd, 2012 7:34 AM
@Sam
How was Gibbs out of line?relationship in the work place never work out good look at CSI if anything Gibbs was saving EJ and Tony
August 1st, 2012 11:22 PM
How Tony and Ziva conduct themselves on the team once they enter a relationship, and the manner in which they go about telling Gibbs, will undoubtedly have a bearing on how he reacts and how he deals with it. He might try doing something along the lines of what jaja111 suggested.
And while it is true that EJ was not on the same team with Tony, that did not stop Gibbs from reacting as though she was. Frankly, as far as I was concerned, there was no grey area here. Gibbs was simply out of line on it.
August 1st, 2012 11:15 PM
Michael, when you get right down to it, just about everyway a story can be told has been told. And this was probably the case even before Shakespeare. If done right, Tony and Ziva being together will not hurt the overall storyline, and might actually help it.
August 1st, 2012 8:39 PM
I just think to agent being together is a outdated form of storytelling what they could do is have Tony or Ziva Quit NCIS so NCIS fan can get what they want and Tiva fan can have what they want
August 1st, 2012 8:37 PM
@NCIS
gibbs was not a agent in Life Before His Eyes he never join NCIS so he never created NCIS rule number 12
August 1st, 2012 6:37 PM
If Gibbs was so against members of the team dating then why in "Life Before His Eyes" did he imagine Tony and Kate married and having a baby.
Rank: Extra
August 1st, 2012 3:13 PM
There are angencies that accept their agents being in a romantic relationship. The CIA actually encourages it. I think Tony and Ziva will consider getting involved with each other because of Gibbs' rules. He may not be able to stop them, but they do respect them adn care about what he thinks. If they ever get together they might hope for Gibbs' blessing, but they probably won't stop just because of Gibbs. I doubt Gibbs will get rid of either of them because he likes his team they way it is. I can see Gibbs threatening to move one of them just to see if they are serious or not. In reality the only thing stopping Tony and Ziva from being together is Tony and Ziva.
Rank: Extra
August 1st, 2012 1:55 PM
@AJA
I think Gibbs has got to realise that some rules are meant to be broken, morally can he keep two people apart who love each other because of rule 12, to me there is no justification for him to do so.
August 1st, 2012 10:51 AM
@AJA
could not of said it better myself Ziva has never respect Gibbs She lie about Ari she lie about Michael Rinkir so if Tiva does happen it would not shock me if she lie again
August 1st, 2012 10:40 AM
@just me good comment and so true.no use looking for the sites michael talks about he lies.
August 1st, 2012 10:32 AM
Even if there is no official rule in an NCIS handbook against dating co workers, it seems to me if Tony and ZIva had a relationship and chose to challenge Gibbs rule, although they may have a legal leg to stand on, it would be a real slap in the face to Gibbs. He has good reasons for his rules, and thus far, the team has always respected Gibbs authority. If T and Z decided to sneak around behind his back or disregard Gibbs feelings it would definitely undermine his authority and it would be pretty OOC for anyone on the team to do that. Although Ziva has at times disregarded her superiors' authority when it suited her, Tony has always been willing to follow Gibbs orders and their intent. The one grey area exception was EJ, but she was not on his team. Both teams were merely working on the same case.
August 1st, 2012 8:52 AM
Gibbs would be within his rights as a team leader to ask either Tony or Ziva to transfer to another team if they were to enter a relationship with each other. That is all he could do; he couldn't bring any pressure to have them end the relationship -- he would be overstepping his authority there (which I believe he did regarding Tony and EJ).
The question at this point is whether or not he would ask such a thing of Tony or Ziva. Ten years ago, no question he would. Now? My guess is probably not. As we are coming to the end of the series in a couple of years, at which point Tony will most likely get his own team, or take over Gibbs' team upon his retirement from the field, I think the whole question will end up being moot.
August 1st, 2012 8:45 AM
@Aycliffe You are exactly right. Gibbs' Rule 12 is his and his alone. In an interview on the Season 1 DVD, DPB talks about how he was surprised to find so many agents either married or involved in some sort of committed relationship with one another. He said he was fascinated by it and hoped to tackle that issue in some fashion at some point in the show. The beginnings of the developing relationship between Tony and Ziva started under DPB and has continued to develop and flourish ever since.
Frankly, EJ was right to get in Gibbs's face about throwing "Rule 12" in Tony's face concerning their relationship. Had she told Gibbs that they would discuss his rule with Vance after they solved the P2PK case I would have raised a glass in salute to her.
August 1st, 2012 8:40 AM
@Aycliffe
ALL federal agencies and companys even though they do not like it when they coworkers become married to each other they can and have ask them to leave it happen on a lot of copy show I use to watch like without a trace and NYBlue.
In fact if Tony and Ziva do hook up if what I read is right one of them would have to leave gibbs team because your leader of your team does have the right to make Rules for his team
Rank: Extra
August 1st, 2012 6:01 AM
If Tony and Ziva wanted to be together they would just ignore rule 12 and just go for it. rule 12 is one of Gibbs rule could Vance sanction such a rule, now please correct me if I get this wrong, but my understanding is such a rule does not exist in the NCIS handbook of rules and regulations, if either Ziva or Tony decide take Gibbs to court over rule 12 a good lawyer would win then rule 12 would not exist any more
August 1st, 2012 12:07 AM
@ Michael, I've looked for the article just as you've described it and I can't find it anywhere......if you'll provide a link that would be great. That way, we can verify what you are saying is the truth, otherwise you're just creating false info.
SAM, you're right.....the ratings have increased & held steady the last few years. Being TV's highest rated scripted drama is a sweet spot to be in at the moment.
July 31st, 2012 10:40 PM
NCIS' ratings haven't been falling the past few years. Season 9's ratings were a few tenths of a percentage point higher than those of Season 8's. Both seasons saw viewership between 19 and 20 million. Sweet spot to be in.