The Mentalist Round Table: "The Great Red Dragon"

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Tyger Tyger never burned brighter than it did in "The Great Red Dragon," as its members scrambled to cover their tracks.

In this edition of the Round Table, TV Fanatic Christine Orlando is joined by The Mentalist fans Feint, @JisbonProductions from Twitter and Foresti Purge to debate who's dead, who's alive and who is Red John after watching The Mentalist Season 6, Episode 7.


Is Gale Bertram Red John?

Feint: I don't think Gale Bertram is Red John. He has what it takes but he's not Red John. Even the Cordero guy seems more suspicious at this point. There's gonna be a twist for sure. At this point, Bertram is the safe bet but I'd put my money on Stiles after all.

@JisbonProductions:  We don’t think so. First of all, it would be way too obvious. They tried to make him look suspicious for a while now and this was the cherry on top. He is a very dangerous man and we have no doubt that he is a big boss in the organization, but Red John? No. Secondly, his voice doesn’t really fit to Red John’s voice (although that could be a trick) and he doesn’t really look like the man Rosalind described. We believe we’ll learn who Red John is in the next Episode – with a Big Bang.

Foresti Purge: Red John is McAllister. I've said it before and I'll say it again. They want us to think it's Bertram, but it's McAllister. More to the point, pay a very close attention to the flashback of Rebecca's murder. See that man who killed her? Yeah.

Christine: I'd actually love it if it were Bertram. He's certainly arrogant and cold blooded enough. He took out that bartender without a second thought. But I'm afraid that's just too obvious. I like Foresti's theory about it being McAllister but we'll have to wait until Sunday for the big reveal.

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Do you believe that Bret Stiles, Ray Haffner and Sheriff McAllister are really dead?

Feint: It's hard to say. Cho said they're all dead and their DNA was all over the place. I just can't believe Stiles would end up dead like that. Also, why were they burnt to crisp and the others were practically unhurt? And what about the gunshot?

@JisbonProductions: Not really. Stiles and Haffner COULD be dead, but McAllister? He was standing behind Bertram, Smith and Jane and the three of them survived without severe injuries. Why would McAllister die? This does not make sense... if the other two are dead, the bomb must have been located closer to them, so it would not make sense if he – the one who was the furthest away – had died. Also, we didn’t get to see any dead bodies (very clever of the crew ;) ), so it’s possible no suspect died at all.

Foresti Purge:  McAllister is alive. Come on, these folks can cover up anything. As to Haffner and Stiles, I have no answer. These two are Visualize, of which Red John was once a member. Maybe they're alive; maybe not; I won't mind either way. But McAllister is alive.

Christine: As mentioned above, McAllister was standing with Smith, Bertram and Jane, so why would he be dead? And the fact that the bodies were charred beyond recognition is highly suspicious. A Tyger, Tyger lab tech could have easily doctored the DNA results. I can't wait until one of the "dead men" shows up alive…and missing a foot.

Why does Jane go to the church?

Feint: That is a very good question. It's the only thing I didn't understand at all. For once, we had an episode full of answers, but this one just doesn't fit. Is he letting go of his lack of faith? This looks like a place for the final showdown, is he planting something there?

@JisbonProductions:  This is a very good question and difficult to answer. We believe that Jane hit the rock bottom. He lost his home for the second time after his family died – now forever – and he does not really know where the suspect(s) are now. Also, we think it would make sense that he knew that the FBI would shut down the CBI (we know Jane doesn’t do anything without thinking about it and the press statement was his idea – he must have known it would have consequences and this situation reminds us of the one in 4x24), so it’s possible he’s feeling guilty because the team lost their jobs because of him. Maybe he thought of Teresa – she sought protection and answers in the church that time. But it’s hard to find an answer...

Foresti Purge:  He's working out his next step. He always has been. Whoever thinks he's letting go must never have seen Season 4 finale.

Christine:  I'm sure he has some sort of plan, I just have no idea what it is. And a question for the fans out there, Is that the same church where he met Teresa in "The Crimson Hat" The Mentalist Season 4, Episode 24?

Were the powers that be right to close down the CBI? What do you think it will mean for our team?

Feint:  The FBI closing down the CBI was quite unexpected at this point. It might be the work of The Blake Association and Bertram and it's probably setting up the new storylines for the post-Red John The Mentalist.

@JisbonProductions: You can understand why they are suspicious about the CBI now –they all believe that their boss is Red John, so you can assume he has lots of accomplices in “his” organization and the easiest way to get control over them and check them out is to close the whole CBI down. But it had a very bitter taste because you know how powerful the Blake Association is – it was like they were trying to get to all the evidence before “the worst” (catching Red John) could happen. Also, there are accomplices in the FBI and other law enforcement-organizations as well. They should check this out, too.
We believe that the team will continue their fight to find Red John, but in the end, they will have to get new jobs... :/
Foresti Purge: They were right. The place is just too corrupt to function already. And our team will break up for real this time.

Christine: They were completely right to shut down the CBI. At this point it can't be trusted. Hopefully bringing in agents from another state will be good enough to weed out The Blake Associates but there's no way to tell. Unfortunately this may be the beginning of the end for our team.

What was your favorite scene?

Feint:  I loved Jane making faces when Cho was asking questions from the arrested police officer. I also loved Smith breaking down and revealing so many things. And I was very happy they at least covered one important plot hole there, although many more remain.

@JisbonProductions:  The last scene with Jane in the church – because you have to think about it, you don’t know why this is happening, what made Jane go to the church even though he says he doesn’t believe. And without a single word spoken, it was very intense. This is what a good scene should be like. But we also liked the scene in which Jane woke up and was greeted by Lisbon.

Foresti Purge: I've got two: when Bertram stabs that bartender, and when he escapes the SWAT cordon. I was amazed. This guy everybody in fandom makes light of, he turns out to be a hard, stone-cold killer, as crafty as Jane himself. But Red John is still McAllister.

Christine: The entire episode was great but I think I liked Jane playing the human lie detector with the cop and then his interrogation of Reede Smith the best. Especially when Smith wanted immunity and Jane told him to get up off his ass and walk out the door. See how far he'd get. Jane wasn't playing around and it was such fun to watch.

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.


Favorite scene? Has to be the removal of the couch, breaking of the teacup and Jane's first interaction with Agent Abbott. Could that scene be more full? :D Jane walks in to his couch being hauled away and is given a handful of change from it, which he apparently pockets quickly :) Because in the next moment he's juggling props and subject cues. His teacup is knocked from its saucer and shatters on the floor. All is silent. No one speaks, looking at the bits of cup on the floor. Jane suffers the pain we see in his facial expressions for several moments. Then he says that was his favorite cup. Abbott is now looking at Jane, who claps Abbott on the arm just like he does to assert his suggestions with any subject, hands Abbott the saucer and walks out, leaving Abbott to stare all bumfuzzled at the saucer like how did that get there and what just happened. Hahahaha! FBI guy ain't all that after all! And Jane already has it in on him. Game over, buddy! I TOTALLY loved every moment of this ENTIRE scene!


Closing the CBI? I think it has to be torn down, at least temporarily to root out the corruption. I had always assumed the FBI comes in to supervise that razing and then is the scaffolding to build it back up, which would coincidentally take about two years :) Now I'm not so sure. It looks pretty permanent to me. Are Jane and Lisbon now going to work for the FBI? Is T M going to become another FBI show? Nice it could have national and international locations now. But FBI gets the most heinous crimes and it seems such a grim and rigid agency. Maybe that's just television, but I really don't want to see T M up the goo and gore factor and have to deal with the most twisted, disgusting perps in the universe. This is not healthy for Patrick Jane. Yuk. But they say they'll be back to light-hearted procedural after the dust settles, so I'll have to trust and totally look forward to that.

Angie lavoie
@ Entwife

Agreeing totally with you, Entwife. Just one thing - I don't think that the FBI has any jurisdiction internationally. The FBI could only assist in foreign countries under the command of Interpol or the responsible agency of that country. (For example, the BKA - Bundeskriminalamt - in Germany or Scotland Yard in GB). IMHO, but I will gladly be corrected! :-)


Why Jane at church? I think it's part of his plan. He's got Lisbon's gun as his "prop." It's what RJ will expect he'll have on him (Carter) and will take from him. I'm assuming the gun he fires in the promo is his own that he either still had on him at the scene of the explosion or perhaps Lisbon retrieved for him. When he fires it, there are strips of tape hanging all off it. So I figure he has taped his own gun in the pew where he's kneeling so he can get to it easy. (And hasn't Jane developed some real shooting skills! HOT!) We learned in the sneak peek yesterday, that RJ wants to meet with Jane, I assume RJ has chosen that church. Jane arrives early and sets up his play. He's no more got religion than he now thinks he's a real psychic, IMHO. I'd also like to note that when Lisbon gives Jane her gun for a "prop," she does not empty the clip. There is no worries about Jane lying here. Lisbon knows things can go SNAFU in a moment and she gives him her gun fully loaded, just in case he does need to use it, consequences on her be damned. Wow. Their relationship seems so profound to me sometimes. Loved that.

Angie lavoie
@ Entwife

SNAFU?? :-)


Stiles, Hafner, McAllister really dead? I'm with Foresti Purge. McAllister's my guy for RJ now. I think Stiles may be alive because of his stated "return" like Tomrun says, plus there's his high connections with the Ecuador ministry. Jane hiding out in South America, Ecuador maybe? Helped by Stiles? Very tantalizing. :)


Whew! Great Round Table, everybody. If I'm ever on again, I'll have to up my game!!! :D


Remember Stiles said he will return at his last service


Maybe there was the mourning celebration for his wife and daughter .... and maybe they are buried at the cemetery nearby.


Do you believe that Bret Stiles, Ray Haffner and Sheriff McAllister are really dead?
what about that all worked together and faked their death with the bomb - why did they go their in the first place they must have known that Jane had something terrible in mind with this Action - it just didn't go as planned because Jane escorted three of them out of the room.

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The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 7 Quotes

Do not trust anyone in law enforcement. Anyone at all.


Cho: They found the remains of three people. Positive remains of Bret Stiles, Ray Haffner, and Thomas McAllister.
Lisbon: Are you sure? I would have think Bret Stiles would survive a nuclear attack.