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Hannah, you're the one who is taking this personally because of what happened to your friend. The key phrase in your story about her, though, is "the husband did no wrong". Your friend acted like Peter did. She took up with someone else, betraying her husband in the process, and has now been left alone.
But this is NOT the same situation at all. If your friend's husband had lied to her and cheated on her dozens of times, and her old flame who had always loved her appeared, promising her a new beginning, she'd have to be some kind of masochist not to take it. Peter has proven MANY times that he's not worthy of Alicia. Will saved her life when that cheating bum went to jail.
"The name of the game is family which means more than one night stands"
But who has been cheating here? Gee, that would be Peter. Can you not see that "family" is no longer sacred when one spouse (in this case Peter) has betrayed his vows and her trust REPEATEDLY?
You'd actually put th
John why are you so vindictive ? I don't care what you say about Peter but I still say WILL has crossed the line and still is way off base with a married woman ! for what it is worth I have a friend who had this happen to her and she fell for it after divorcing her husband of 17yrs with one daughter for an old high school love which the husband did no wrong she now sits in a lonely house by herself trying to figure out why she did what she thought was the right thing. Her daughter has also left and won't even answer her calls because she screwed up their whole family because of inmaturity on her mothers part. The name of the game is family which means more than one night stands, and thats what this all about mark my words. Thou shalt not!!!!
"Gods comandments say do not covet thy neighbors wife."
Oh really? And what do they say about being out banging hookers dozens of times, while your loving wife is waiting faithfully at home? Isn't that adultery too? Somehow, people keep closing their eyes to that part. They need to open them.
And again you sidestep that Will is a bachelor but Peter is not. You people are making all these excuses for lying cheating Peter, who betrayed Alicia MANY times. You try to convince yourselves that he's probably reformed -- all while you're trying to blame Will for LOVING Alicia and believing he would be so much better for her. He's right about that, too.
And don't try to pretend that it's all coming from Will. Alicia is clearly interested in him, but conflicted. It's that usual thing where women are torn between a nice guy who would treat her well, or a rat who would abuse her, but who she somehow thinks would be "sexier". I find that truly sad.
Well John you can say what you want but as a woman I can see something that a man can't the other side of the coin. I believe everyone make mistakes and the world would be a better place if their eyes were wide open. I can see that yours aren't you only want to see the bad and ugly, speaking of the confession about 18 times I don't remember there being any other women.
Looking back you have heard Alicia tell Will that nothing happened back at Georgetown so move on. He had a school boy fatuation at an early age who doesn't, to start the flirting with a married woman 16 years later is totally way off base and is taken of crossing the line. Gods comandments say do not covet thy neighbors wife.
It's easy to keep track of the numbers, because married Peter himself testified under oath in court that he'd had sex with Amber eighteen times, WHILE he was married to Alicia. (They didn't ask about his other whores, which was lucky for him.)
Your suspicions about Will don't count because you have no proof he did anything with them. So far we've seen Will in bed with ONE other woman. I wouldn't call that being a "playboy"! We know that a good number of other women have wanted him, but as far as we KNOW, they never ended up in bed. The most recent woman went after him aggressively, when he was still hurting from what he thinks is Alicia's rejection. It's not surprising he gave in. But as a bachelor, he's free to see other women -- unlike Peter....
I don't know why everybody thinks this must have happened to me. I just find it sickening to watch someone pick some creep who is obviously going to be bad for them. It's only a matter of time until they get hurt. What
Well John lets back track to the weird place episode, do you remember what Alicia said to Will that if it was them it would have lasted one week. I think she sees the same in the present time, by the way you keep bring up the eighteen times are you keepin track of the Will count with a lot of different women also the one in last nights episode which Alicia heard over the phone. A great scene loved it !!
Going back to the college days that doesn't prove anything other than you think they shackedup, back to the weird conversation it didn't happen.
I don't know what has happened to you that makes you so bitter regarding the past situation that shows alot of vindictive emotions, did someone do it to you ?
Whether you call it "cheating" or "adultery", the way I see it, Peter lost his right to expect fidelity from Alicia the very first time he boinked Amber Madison. And by the EIGHTEENTH time, it's long since game-over.
Yes, I think she should divorce Peter before she goes off with Will. (She should divorce him even if she doesn't...) But let me remind you that all she has done so far is kiss him. Peter has done far worse MANY times.
What is wrong with you people who try to hold Alicia to some high moral standard, even has her sleazeball husband was out mounting anything in a skirt? Just a bit hypocritical, don't you think, to claim SHE would be destroying her family? Peter already did that, a long time ago.
And Will is not just some guy she picked up in a bar. He's a dear friend who loves her, who shares a lot of history with her, and who saved her life by giving her a job when her scummy rat of a husband went to jail. And he's the bad guy?? Not in the real world.
Well here we go again, John you just answer my question, I know alot about the legal field and there is more cheating and fooling around than in manny fields with lawyers and their personel. My question still is what the difference between cheating and adultry and where does anyone have the right to make advances toward a married woman under any circumstances!!
she is not free to move forward until a divorce or seperation then its ok. but before it is called cheating and adultry plus what would the children think of their mother the same as dad what a twisted world you live in.
I already answered that I don't have a chip on my shoulder, but I sure get sick of seeing people picking the ones who they must know will treat them like crap. Don't they think they deserve any better? (I've worked in the legal arena for many years, and it never ceases to amaze me what stupid choices so many people seem to make -- and of course they end up in court.)
It's sad how many women are out there exactly like Alicia, who will always choose the bad boy because she thinks he's "exciting and sexy", and she rejects the quiet and nice guy who will treat her like a queen, because she thinks he's "a boring wimp". They have only themselves to blame later, when they are betrayed, cheated on, and abused. And they always are, too. It only a matter of time.
You think Will needs to be tested for an STD? Based on what, your suspicions? There's been nothing at all in the story to even imply that he's a player, much less prove it, while Peter himself has ADMITTED UNDER OATH that
Hey John you didn't answer the question what your problem ? You keep saying the same over and over about Will, lets put it in the right order is cheating and adultry the same ? Maybe you see it as a way of getting back at Peter and by the way if anybody gets test for STD PDQ Will better make a doctors appointment.
Alicia knows what she wants and all the monday morning quarterbacks won't make a difference, plus until Alicia needed a job he had forgot her and moved on.
John are you married ? I'm getting some bad vibes about your attitude towards this. I don't condone what Peter did but I do condone what Will is trying to do, breaking up a marriage and family for your personel conquest is a sin #7 committing Adultry.
Just to let you know down the road Alicia will get her family back and move with their lives again and the kids will have a big part in it.
Yeah, I saw the promo for next week where poor Will thinks Alicia has heard his declaration of love and has rejected him. He doesn't know Eli deleted his message, so he thinks she's already made her choice -- and it's the wrong one.
One of his "manny broads"? Married Peter has had a lot more women than bachelor Will, if you've been paying attention. Everyone keeps sidestepping the fact that Will is a BACHELOR and can date anyone he wants. Peter is supposed to be MARRIED, and isn't supposed to be out shtupping other women. If he hadn't been caught, he's still be out there.
There's no chip on my shoulder. I'm just sick of seeing men or women choosing a rat who they should know will treat them like crap. What do they expect? Peter is still a lying, cheating bum, while Will is just a guy who's getting discouraged after all these years of waiting. He's not a saint -- but Peter is a whole lot worse.
(The sight of that slimy sleazeball wearing a bloody white shirt and tie as he di
John why do you have a chip on your shoulder abouts this did you get caught in the same problem. Or are you a woman using a mans name to down play Peter. You think that Will is the right one for Alicia because he is this pure angel, how about the sexual sabbatical he supposely had but we didn't see any behind the sceens did we.
This weeks episode shows a faithfull man in sceens when Alicia calls him on work related business and he answers from the bed of one of his manny broads, now thats a perfect angel any women could trust wouldn't one.
Well John to be honest I am a women and has watch all the episodes and see a better person in Peter than Will, even though Peter screwed up big time he shows alot of remorse and caring toward his family and they inturn love it all of them. If I had a boss like Will who tried to put the make on me even though he knew I was married this sends a big message that he can't be trusted.
You want "family values"? With PETER?? It's way too late for that now.
Somehow some people think marriage is so sacred that it's better for a woman to keep forgiving a selfish and unfaithful rat who cheated on her REPEATEDLY, instead of ditching the bum and finding a nice man who would treat her with love and respect.
I think women deserve better than Peter, and they shouldn't settle for less. (And like Sarah said, why is it always the woman doing the forgiving, while the "male slut" she married is always the one being forgiven?)
Haven't you noticed that Will has been more faithful to Alicia than Peter has? As the tattooed lawyer said, Will has been on a sexual sabbatical from other women for a while now, while Peter has been out spreading it around as his loving wife waited at home.
And speaking of "spreading", don't you see that there are health risks when a man visits hookers who have had sex with DOZENS, if not hundreds of different men? Alicia was putting her
My hat is off to John and Sarah they are perfect for one another, this is the problem that has evolved with the Will/Alicia but the real problem is you have to look a the big picture. I would rather have my husband cheat with a hooker than a married woman of a close friend, that would send me into outerspace. If this was the case than why didn't she divorce him from the start than to stay her ground with some love in her heart. For Will he isn't being such a good pal when he is trying her to commit adulitry.
From the start of season 2 i'm starting to see a better story line about the Good WIfe and where it is going in regards to more family values and the real faces of the other side.
Thanks for your proposal, Sarah J. I'm flattered, but I'm "currently unavailable". ;)
You summed it all up very well. It's frustrating to see people close their eyes to Peter's MANY faults, simply because she's still married to the cheating bum -- all while they try to pretend that Will is "probably" somehow flawed, or they merely suspect him of the sleaziness that Peter exhibits so clearly. (If Alicia sticks with Peter and spurns Will, maybe she just doesn't deserve a nice guy like Will at all.)
And for those who thought it was sexy to have Peter force himself on her physically in the opener, even after she had protested TWICE, maybe they could explain how that was different from rape. Obviously he doesn't care at all about her feelings, or what she wants. He only cares about himself. And is Alicia now possibly infected with an STD that her slimy husband picked up from one of his whores?
John Graydon, will you marry me? (Just kidding !) On a less lighter note, I agree compltely with everything you have to say on the subject of Will/Alicia/Peter. It always frustrates me when people bring up religion and family to justify forcing a woman to stay with a cheating husband. And it's always the woman who has to accept the cheating and never the husband. Because if a woman cheats, she's the whore/slut but the man is merely misunderstood and always deserving of forgiveness. She has to think of the kids because kids learn such wonderful life-lessons when the mother stays with the cheating father. People conveniently forget that the kids will grow up and leave the nest and she will be left alone with a man who never truly loved or respected her. Now, even if Will hadn't existed in the show, Alicia deserves better than Peter. He CHEATED on her with prostitutes. What else does he have to do to cross the moral event horizon? He certainly didn't think of his wife or kids when he spen
I waited all off season to hear and see that phone call from Will and for it to be erased - how can this show her taking control. Her obligation, although a noble one, should only be to herself and her children. She deserves to have the romantic relationship with Will, her husband certainly enjoyed himself until he was caught. I know the writers are trying to keep us watching and wanting more but to go the whole episode and never knowing that there was a second message left me aggravated and thinking about only giving the writers 1 more episode to have her find out what Will really said before I change the channel on Tuesday nights.
Sorry John that you feel this way, it sounds like you had this happen to you. Anyway you want to look at it the story line is The Good Wife and doesn't mean hookingup with an old friend, so sit back and quinge for season 2 its going to be a roller coaster ride with plenty of ups and downs.
PS. The children are going to have a big say before it is all done.!!!
I'm amazed at people who close their eyes against all evidence, and somehow reaffirm their faith in the sanctity of Alicia's marriage. It looks to me like Peter long ago destroyed any "sanctity" that may have once been there. These people insist that Alicia should remain faithful to the lying, cheating louse who betrayed her, instead of ditching him for the guy who has always been good to her. They must really hate her if they think she doesn't deserve any better than Peter. Realistically, she needs to recognize that marrying him was a huge mistake. She should cut her losses and search for real happiness before it's too late. And think about this: By his own admission, Peter made the conscious and willful decision to betray his loving wife no fewer than eighteen times with Amber Madison alone, with strong suggestions that there have been other women too, perhaps even Kalinda. This is obviously not just a brief moment of weakness, which might be forgiven. This is an ongoing pattern of c
HI John I have been reading all your comments regarding who is the best for Alicia, you seem to be on a one way street with Will and dump Peter. What has Peter done since episode 1 that you make this decision, has he been trying to run around or phone anyone, has his children turn there backs to him or has Alicia shown any support of help from her prison visit that answered Peters question if she still loved him answer was YES.
As a Christian I have a brighter outlook for the future and see a very hard road ahead for the Florrick family and the down fall of the Lockhart & Gardiner firm. But in the end the family stays together and truly faithful.
"...you don't see the big picture about playboy Will, he has major problem with loose women as seen in past episodes."
Are we talking about the same program? You think WILL has the problem with "loose women"?? As opposed to Peter, who was just out shtupping hookers while his faithful wife waited at home. Hookers are, by definition, loose women -- a description which doesn't apply to either of the women (a grand total of TWO, which doesn't make him a "playboy"), that we've seen Will with. Don't forget that Will is a bachelor, and is entitled to date whoever he wants. Peter, on the other hand, is married, and is not supposed to be out having sex with other women, and certainly not hookers.
We saw the tattooed lawyer invite Will to her hotel room, and from what he says to her, it's clear he thought they were going to be working, but she had other ideas. And we saw Giada, the rich man's daughter who was in his law class and took a shine to him. There's been no insinuation that
Sorry John but you don't see the big picture about playboy Will, he has major problem with loose women as seen in past episodes. Is this the kind of person you would like to see Alicia with I don't think so. First off her children would not let her make that fatal mistake and destroy her family, don't forgrt they also so the photos and videos and have a better understanding of forgiveness with their father. Alicia could see from the last episode that Will was not going away easy so the comment of show me the PLAN was the perfect curve ball needed to strike him out. Also coming attractions have already given her answer Sorry Will!
"...if Sleezeball Will would knock off his bull and drop the pretty boy crap..."
This kind of comment indicates a serious disconnect from reality. Will has never been anything but kind, considerate, understanding, gentle, and loving towards Alicia. He gave her the job that saved her life, while her dirtbag husband lied to her and cheated on her many times with hookers, humiliating her in public while she was being faithful -- and yet you think WILL is the "sleezeball"?? Take off your blindfold already. It's way past time.
And Will is hardly a "pretty boy" -- he's actually kind of homely, with that big honking shnozz and that strange mouth. But he has the kind of manly gentleness that women should cherish but so seldom do, to their bitter regret later. She should grab him NOW, before some other woman gets him.
I like to comment on John's remarkes about the jump in the hay,it wasn't to relieve her sexual frustration it was fear that she would be commiting adultry and that would open a large can of worms. She still has deep feelings for Peter, and if Sleezeball Will would knock off his bull and drop the pretty boy crap the show would make more sense about The Good Wife. And by the way the after affect of the lovemaking was not her getting her way but satisfying her desires with her husband !!!!
I welcome your civil disagreement, Bill. That's what a good discussion board is all about. You make some valid points about choosing to forgive someone.
Peter did indeed testify he'd had sex (I doubt if there was much "sleeping" involved) with Amber Madison eighteen times. Unfortunately, it's also been suggested that she was just one of many dalliances, so I think "DOZENS of times" was quite likely correct. And as you say, that was hardly an isolated moment of weakness, but a sign that he cared so little about Alicia that he repeatedly made deliberate decisions to betray her. What a sleazeball.
I know plenty of people who sleep with the boss and suffer no bad consequences, because they also happen to be married to him, or else they married him at some point after they'd started to become intimate.
"...then went right home and jumped into the hay with her husband. Does that sound like she wants to dump Peter ?????"
Actually, it was clear to me that she was merely USING P
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